7800gtx

[jgigz]

Im looking to replace my x800gto and ive been looking at the 7800gtx series from pny, but one thing has kept me wondering, why is this card around 100$ more than a 7900gt when on paper its actually less bang for your buck. Pny's website has it for 399.99 and its back ordered. Apparently people want this card but and im rather fond of it but is it a better investment thatn a 7900gt? any and all help will be greatly appreciated esepcailly from those who have one.

thanks again

 

[DaveSimmons]

Stores take distributor prices and add a markup. Old parts still in inventory (at stores or distributors) can actually be priced higher than newer, better parts.

 

[Kyanzes]

Don't even care about those. Buy a 7900GT for $250 or better yet an X1900XT for a hundred more.

 

[jgigz]

I understand that but again the card is pretty hard to find and its on backorder, so if th card is old, overpriced and currently out of stock what makes people keep dropping money into it?

 

[jgigz]

Originally posted by: Kyanzes
Don't even care about those. Buy a 7900GT for $250 or better yet an X1900XT for a hundred more.

Yeah i was planning on doing that or possibly getting a 7900gtx i just need to wait for my paycheck then that will be the deciding factor

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: jgigz
I understand that but again the card is pretty hard to find and its on backorder, so if th card is old, overpriced and currently out of stock what makes people keep dropping money into it?

I don't think anyone is dropping money into them.

 

[Kyanzes]

Originally posted by: jgigz
I understand that but again the card is pretty hard to find and its on backorder, so if th card is old, overpriced and currently out of stock what makes people keep dropping money into it?

Well, not everyone lurks around tech forums and reviews all day hunting for the best possible configuration like the majority of the posters here. You know, it's like with cars. Folk walks in to the showroom with his wife, they discuss the optimal color and general coolness of the cars, then they pick one and drive away. Saw a 9600XT for $260 in a local store a few days back btw. It's possible that some day a random (and very unlucky) dude will pick it up.

Edit: also, it could be a simple marketing weapon. I mean ppl will think to themselves: how cheap is that 7900GT compared to a 7800GTX, and they buy it, cause it's cheap (compared to a 7800GTX that may only exists on the price list hehe)

 

[jgigz]

Originally posted by: Kyanzes

Originally posted by: jgigz
I understand that but again the card is pretty hard to find and its on backorder, so if th card is old, overpriced and currently out of stock what makes people keep dropping money into it?

Well, not everyone lurks around tech forums and reviews all day hunting for the best possible configuration like the majority of the posters here. You know, it's like with cars. Folk walks in to the showroom with his wife, they discuss the optimal color and general coolness of the cars, then they pick one and drive away. Saw a 9600XT for $260 in a local store a few days back btw. It's possible that some day a random (and very unlucky) dude will pick it up.

Point well taken but now heres the bigger decision, x1900xt or 7900gtx?

 

[Kyanzes]

Check out the 7950 GX2 review. They compare it to other high end cards. Pay a closer attention to the higher resolutions, 1600 and up. I personally would buy a 7900GTX (but I'm already a happy owner of a 7950 GX2). Also remember that Nvidia cards are mostly benched set to "Quality" instead of "High Quality". Also note that the X1900XT can utilize HDR and AA at the same time while the 7900GTX is not capable of that.

edit: isn't it possible that the 7800GTX you mentioned was a 512MB version? Cause those are indeed better than a 7900GT.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: jgigz
Point well taken but now heres the bigger decision, x1900xt or 7900gtx?

I hate to be one who says "use the search" but really, there are plenty of threads about that and some things you need to consider personally.

 

[jgigz]

Originally posted by: Kyanzes
Check out the 7950 GX2 review. They compare it to other high end cards. Pay a closer attention to the higher resolutions, 1600 and up. I personally would buy a 7900GTX (but I'm already a happy owner of a 7950 GX2). Also remember that Nvidia cards are mostly benched set to "Quality" instead of "High Quality". Also note that the X1900XT can utilize HDR and AA at the same time while the 7900GTX is not capable of that.

edit: isn't it possible that the 7800GTX you mentioned was a 512MB version? Cause those are indeed better than a 7900GT.

The version that i was looking at wasnt a 512mb version but ive been looking for those. As fars as performance wise im looking for something to run 1280x1024 and get great fps on Counter-Strike: Source with 2x AA and 4x AF with HDR and not have to worry about video lag. Money isnt really an object but i dont wanna buy something that is nice to have but really isnt nessecary.

 

[Kyanzes]

Then you don't need to look any further because 2x AA and 4x AF with HDR together is only possible with... (*drum roll*) ... an X1900XT(X). The GTX couldn't provide what you need, so only the ATI card remains.

 

[jgigz]

Originally posted by: Kyanzes
Then you don't need to look any further because 2x AA and 4x AF with HDR together is only possible with... (*drum roll*) ... an X1900XT(X). The GTX couldn't provide what you need, so only the ATI card remains.

Yeah i noticed that as soon as i submitted but i was to lazy to edit, im going to go with an XT and possibly OC it to xtx speeds but the extra 100$ or so dollars for the XTX isnt worth it. Any recomendations on brand? I was planning on going with the ATI-100 x1900xt on newegg for 379.99

 

[jgigz]

Another thing i just noticed is that in CS:S only a few of the maps actually use hdr and ive tried it both with and without HDR and i really dont notice that much of a difference so i can live without the HDR but I just wanna get the best bang for my buck

 

[Shadow Conception]

The 7900GT also comes in a 512MB flavor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130034

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Kyanzes
Then you don't need to look any further because 2x AA and 4x AF with HDR together is only possible with... (*drum roll*) ... an X1900XT(X). The GTX couldn't provide what you need, so only the ATI card remains.

*EEEEEE* WRONG! Source allows nVidia cards to do HDR and AA at the same time. Source engine uses different methods for HDR compared to the Oblivion engine.

 

[jgigz]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: Kyanzes
Then you don't need to look any further because 2x AA and 4x AF with HDR together is only possible with... (*drum roll*) ... an X1900XT(X). The GTX couldn't provide what you need, so only the ATI card remains.

*EEEEEE* WRONG! Source allows nVidia cards to do HDR and AA at the same time. Source engine uses different methods for HDR compared to the Oblivion engine.

Well that leaves me back at square one, will the 7800gtx give me the performance i want at those settings? Ive looked at some benchmarks and the 7800gtx seems to perform just as well if not better than an x1800xt.

 

[jgigz]

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
The 7900GT also comes in a 512MB flavor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130034

Hmmmm....thats definatly a possiblility seeing as its 50$ cheaper than a 7800gtx. Im still open to suggestions though

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: jgigz

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: Kyanzes
Then you don't need to look any further because 2x AA and 4x AF with HDR together is only possible with... (*drum roll*) ... an X1900XT(X). The GTX couldn't provide what you need, so only the ATI card remains.

*EEEEEE* WRONG! Source allows nVidia cards to do HDR and AA at the same time. Source engine uses different methods for HDR compared to the Oblivion engine.

Well that leaves me back at square one, will the 7800gtx give me the performance i want at those settings? Ive looked at some benchmarks and the 7800gtx seems to perform just as well if not better than an x1800xt.

but you can pick up a x1800xt 256MB and i have seen the 7900gt for ~$220AR, which in view is an excellent price for performance ratio. that is how i buy everything - the price/performance ratio. knowing that electronics don't hold value (except in very rare occassions - bh5 ram)

you are also comparing different families/generations of cards - 7900gt vs 7800gtx vs x1800xt? i picked up a x1800xt and am very happy with it, but it is a huge card that takes up 2 slots and needs a lot of juice (ati tool says it is using over 26A when benchmarking), which made me pick the certain m/b i did due to its pci-e x16 slot as in need 3 pci slots. the 7900gt, as far as i know is usually a 1 slot card and to be honest, if they were the same price when i picked up the x1800xt i would have opted for the 7900gt due to heat output.

 

[Aluvus]

The 7800 series are more expensive to manufacture than the 7900 series. 7900s are on a smaller process, with fewer transistors. That means a smaller die, and that means reduced costs. IIRC, they launched at prices lower than the 7800s at that point in time.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Aluvus
The 7800 series are more expensive to manufacture than the 7900 series. 7900s are on a smaller process, with fewer transistors. That means a smaller die, and that means reduced costs. IIRC, they launched at prices lower than the 7800s at that point in time.

which also means less power and lower heat. there were some issues with the early 7900gts though, and as far as i can tell and have read they are all good now

 

[alimoalem]

i don't think anyone mentioned supply and demand. there are those that don't research, like us (someone else stated this), which raise the demand. they're low in supply though. the lower the supply, the more expensive it is

 

[Kyanzes]

Originally posted by: jgigz

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: Kyanzes
Then you don't need to look any further because 2x AA and 4x AF with HDR together is only possible with... (*drum roll*) ... an X1900XT(X). The GTX couldn't provide what you need, so only the ATI card remains.

*EEEEEE* WRONG! Source allows nVidia cards to do HDR and AA at the same time. Source engine uses different methods for HDR compared to the Oblivion engine.

Well that leaves me back at square one, will the 7800gtx give me the performance i want at those settings? Ive looked at some benchmarks and the 7800gtx seems to perform just as well if not better than an x1800xt.

Dunno, to buy a card for one particular title, hmmm, well, maybe if you really play it that much.

 

[Smartazz]

The manufacturing process has something to do with it right? 110nm compared to 90nm.