7800GTX 512's no longer available

[rise]

Originally posted by: munky
Well, think about it from a business perspective: Nv knows the r580 is coming out soon, and they're probably busy working on a newer card to compete with it. Why should they waste money and resources on a card that they know full well will not hold the performane crown much longer? I know this sounds "evil" and "unethical", but they're in business to make money, not win the Miss America pageant. Simply release a press edition card to claim the performance crow, sell out the binned inventory they've been stockpiling for months to rabid enthusiasts at overinflated prices to claim day 1 availability, and then just forget the whole thing, moving forward with development of upcoming products.

Another thought: Since the r520 was delayed, then that would mean the 512gtx was also delayed in relation to the next product cycle. If Ati and Nv will both release new high-end products in early 2006, there's no way they can expect to sell the x1800 for $600 or the 512gtx for $700+ when the new products are launched (unless we're about to have a new $900+ single card market). Since the profit margin will be a lot smaller, why spend the resources producing these products? Ati needs the x1800, but technically Nv doesnt "need" the 512gtx for anything except to claim the performance crown.

aye, thats a qft.

stoneburner, i don't think i worded my last post properly but i wasn't saying you were playing both sides of the inq fence.

 

[nRollo]

I asked nV about this, and while retail availability has been limited, they've noted there are several systems builders that have them:

Falcon, Overdrive, Hypersonic, Velocity, Alienware

Falcon: http://www.falcon-nw.com/config/build.asp

Alienware: http://www.alienware.com/Configurator_P...=PC-AREA51-7500-R1&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

Hypersonic PC: http://secure.hypersonic-pc.com/scripts/custom_sys.aspx?sysid=cyclone

Overdrive PC: http://www.overdrivepc.com/gaming/index.htm

Alienware: http://www.alienware.com/Configurator_P...=PC-AREA51-7500-R1&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

Velocity Micro: http://www.velocitymicro.com/wizard.php?iid=32"

 

[Capt Caveman]

This is kind of funny. The OP post that the 7800GTX 512 is no longer available(using TigerDirect as an example). Well, I'm thinking of getting an evga 7800GT CO and Tigerdirect has the best price for a non-california company. What do I find?

Evga 7800GTX 512 w/ free COD2

You only live once and ordered one. I called TigerDirect and they got 20 in yesterday. After me, they only have three left.

 

[TomKazansky]

there's only about 2000 of these gtx 512s were made. true story.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Reading the evga forums, one of the evga moderators posted to all of the folks waiting for the 512 that an announcement will be made shortly. A real supply? New card?

 

[gtx4u]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: nts
no longer available for sale

Does anybody have any other information about this. I highly doubt that the blame can be shifted to Samsung anymore, what exactly is going on?

If it was the memory then they should slowly come available but it looks like they have been discontinued...

Wow! Good post!
One vendor drops one brand, so that must mean the whole product line has been cancelled!

LOL

The Cadillac dealer in Madison stopped selling Buicks- they must not exist anymore!

go to froogle.com type in 7800 gtx 512mb, it is out of stock everywhere and selling for 650~800 dollars.

 

[aatf510]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
QFT. Its not like your going to buy one is it dingo? the ones who wanted to buy one probably has one already. With the exception of those who bought 2 for $1500.


btw-People with 600 dollars and up are buying these cards.. i would rather buy a 7800GT SLi setup which out performs both X1800XT 512mb and 7800GTX 512mb.

I am not sure about a 7800GT SLI setup, I had one.. it was extremely noisy, and it really didn't perform as I expect them to...

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I asked nV about this, and while retail availability has been limited, they've noted there are several systems builders that have them:

Falcon, Overdrive, Hypersonic, Velocity, Alienware

Falcon: http://www.falcon-nw.com/config/build.asp

I'm assuming "lead time" means the wait for systems there? If so, 3 weeks is quite a while to wait, and it would not be suprising for that time to go up over the holidays.

Alienware: http://www.alienware.com/Configurator_P...=PC-AREA51-7500-R1&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

From their site: "May delay your order, clicking that brings a pop-up saying it will be 14 days. Again, that is very close to the holidays.

Hypersonic PC: http://secure.hypersonic-pc.com/scripts/custom_sys.aspx?sysid=cyclone

This site seems the most promising, or they have shady practices by not listing availability of parts in configuration. I am not sure which, so I can't really comment there.

Overdrive PC: http://www.overdrivepc.com/gaming/index.htm

Could you link to a build there that has the GTX512 instead of the main page? I did not see such a system there.

Alienware: http://www.alienware.com/Configurator_P...=PC-AREA51-7500-R1&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

See Alienware, above.

Velocity Micro: http://www.velocitymicro.com/wizard.php?iid=32"

From this link: "Very Limited Quantity". While this is expected on a card of this caliber it is still a vague term.


And the kicker to all this is the fact that these are all system builders. I guess it is still availability, but the card is expensive enough without having to tack on a computer build to the price tag.

I think Munky is pretty much correct on his take of this. While it is speculation, it follows logical business practices. It is simply amazing how many people bought 512's knowing G71 and R580 were around the corner.

 

[John Reynolds]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Reading the evga forums, one of the evga moderators posted to all of the folks waiting for the 512 that an announcement will be made shortly. A real supply? New card?

The rumors are swirling over the latter, though an announcement prior to Christmas makes no sense to me. Would hurt current SKU sales as buyers would close up their wallets and wait for the new "big" thing in Feb. or March. Look at the rumors over R580 compared to the current X1800s. . .you see a lot of people saying they're going to wait for the refresh because of all those rumors flying around.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: John Reynolds

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Reading the evga forums, one of the evga moderators posted to all of the folks waiting for the 512 that an announcement will be made shortly. A real supply? New card?

The rumors are swirling over the latter, though an announcement prior to Christmas makes no sense to me. Would hurt current SKU sales as buyers would close up their wallets and wait for the new "big" thing in Feb. or March. Look at the rumors over R580 compared to the current X1800s. . .you see a lot of people saying they're going to wait for the refresh because of all those rumors flying around.

You are probably right. Nice thing about getting the eVGA is their Step-Up promotion.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: toattett
I am not sure about a 7800GT SLI setup, I had one.. it was extremely noisy, and it really didn't perform as I expect them to...

A statement like this really needs more specifics before it can be taken seriously or be of any kind of use to anyone.

"Noisy" is subjective. Quite subjective. Anything above silence is noise, right? How noisy? Did you measure before/after SLI, between other cards in a similar class, etc? And performing as you "expect them to"... nobody knows what that is. Did you expect them to make Julian Fries for you? Again, subjective.

Now, for some objective-- using 10 different games, benchmarked through 4 different websites, the SLI GTs outperform the 512GTX by anywhere between 10% and 25% depending on the game, at 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
And the kicker to all this is the fact that these are all system builders. I guess it is still availability, but the card is expensive enough without having to tack on a computer build to the price tag.

I think Munky is pretty much correct on his take of this. While it is speculation, it follows logical business practices. It is simply amazing how many people bought 512's knowing G71 and R580 were around the corner.

Well, I think this sort of proves they're not "discontinued" as the OP inferred.

IIRC it was this way with the X800XT PEs as well, ATI gave them all to Dell for a while.

Anyway, as noted, the card is available in limited supply. Dealers get 20, sell 20 in 5 minutes, wait for more.

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
And the kicker to all this is the fact that these are all system builders. I guess it is still availability, but the card is expensive enough without having to tack on a computer build to the price tag.

I think Munky is pretty much correct on his take of this. While it is speculation, it follows logical business practices. It is simply amazing how many people bought 512's knowing G71 and R580 were around the corner.

Well, I think this sort of proves they're not "discontinued" as the OP inferred.

IIRC it was this way with the X800XT PEs as well, ATI gave them all to Dell for a while.

Anyway, as noted, the card is available in limited supply. Dealers get 20, sell 20 in 5 minutes, wait for more.

While this is purely speculative, I wonder if some of these places only have stock because they still have their original shipment (from the well-stocked launch date) and just haven't sold many systems with the cards because they are obscure builders...
It is definitely too soon to speculate that the cards are discontinued, as the OP may or may not be trying to infer, time will tell on that one. Also you seem to have skirted around the issue that you can't actually get the cards, you get the cards plus lots of other hardware you may or may not need, and is very likely to be overpriced.
Since you seem pretty confident in your source we will have to see for sure, but again Munky's post makes sense from a business($) standpoint, especially if Samsung cannot deliver on the RAM in the quantities nVidia was hoping for. Then it would just make sense to get back as much as possible from the obviously higher cost of the RAM as much as possible this gen., while still saving enough to install on the G71 to release it in quantity. Thus eliminating the need for a price drop on the GTX 512, lowering the profit margin. (Which might already be low, this RAM is very new and Samsung probably passed on some of their R&D costs to the highest bidder for the chips.)

 

[Capt Caveman]

Sold Out

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
This is kind of funny. The OP post that the 7800GTX 512 is no longer available(using TigerDirect as an example). Well, I'm thinking of getting an evga 7800GT CO and Tigerdirect has the best price for a non-california company. What do I find?

Evga 7800GTX 512 w/ free COD2

You only live once and ordered one. I called TigerDirect and they got 20 in yesterday. After me, they only have three left.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

i heard from a friend here at uni that the 512's were ideally sold bundle style with the NF4 SLIx16 mobo's mainly to guys like Falcon northwest, Alienware, Hypersonic, Velocity Micro and the like

 

[5150Joker]

I'm not surprised at all. Anyone with an iota of common sense should have known this would be a limited run PR card to take steam out of ATi's X1800XT. Ironically enough, you can find the XT in online shops where as the 512 GTX is a Phantom Edition card that cost a ridiculous amount of money. One run of a limited edition card shouldn't even count in benchmarks since hardly anyone besides the super rich that dished out $750+ for these things even have them or if they are used, reviewers should note that the Phantom Edition 512 GTX was a limited run card that is nearly impossible to find and it costs $200+ more than a X1800XT so they aren't even comparable.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I'm not surprised at all. Anyone with an iota of common sense should have known this would be a limited run PR card to take steam out of ATi's X1800XT. Ironically enough, you can find the XT in online shops where as the 512 GTX is a Phantom Edition card that cost a ridiculous amount of money. One run of a limited edition card shouldn't even count in benchmarks since hardly anyone besides the super rich that dished out $750+ for these things even have them or if they are used, reviewers should note that the Phantom Edition 512 GTX was a limited run card that is nearly impossible to find and it costs $200+ more than a X1800XT so they aren't even comparable.

I think more and more reviewers are realizing it. :thumbsup:

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

It is true indeed that the GTX 512MB has no life left after the R580/G71/2 are released, so why waste expensive memory and components to manufacture it at that point.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
It is true indeed that the GTX 512MB has no life left after the R580/G71/2 are released, so why waste expensive memory and components to manufacture it at that point.

Not true. It will have life at a different pricepoint, like the X1800XT is seeing now. As arguably the fastest card in the store, they could charge what they want. As second fastest, it fits in right above the card it's a little faster than. (the 7800GTX 256)

Same will happen with the 512 GTX as faster parts are released, it will likely shift to it's slot in the hierarchy.

The only other possibility I see is being discontinued as not profitable enough to make.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo


The only other possibility I see is being discontinued as not profitable enough to make.

I think this will be the most likely scenario.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Rollo


The only other possibility I see is being discontinued as not profitable enough to make.

I think this will be the most likely scenario.

Bring back teh Devil avatar!

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Rollo


The only other possibility I see is being discontinued as not profitable enough to make.

I think this will be the most likely scenario.

if we see it discountinued anytime soon, that should help all rumors spread that are in regards to a february release of the g71. and yes, I am still praying for it to be released by the end of february, just so I can get one of these "7900 Ultra's" with my eVGA Step-Up.