Rumors are that the NDA lifts on the 14th, so if that is true, it would probably be launched (or at least officially announced) not too long after that.
Rumors are that the NDA lifts on the 14th, so if that is true, it would probably be launched (or at least officially announced) not too long after that.
I am going to go out on a limb and take a chance at being flamed.
Who cares.... Its only a Phantom Edition if you can't buy it. Now unlike the x1800XT where the card may be better maybe not type of situation with the current GTX, the 512MB GTX should rule them all and honestly the sky is the limit since its would be the fastest card on how high they could price it. They are making enough money on the 7800GTX right now to not need this card, I had a conversation yesterday where I talked about this constant fluctuation in top end pricing opening the companies up to release cards they might not make otherwise. This is an example I am guessing with the memory and the lower yields on cores that this even at $650 have lower margins then the 7800GTX does now. This makes this card a more *for your enjoyment* card then a mass production card.
Now if they aren't constantly available, and this becomes a PE type card then I will be the first to protest this self inflicted limited quantity business. Also as it is I would rather a company meet supply vs. demand at $650 and keep it there then increase their MSRP after they have released the card.
Hate to take sides but for the consumer niether company is going out of the wy to help us out here but for the second or third time in a row Nvidia has done it the right and ethical way and ATI has not.
Who cares.... Its only a Phantom Edition if you can't buy it. Now unlike the x1800XT where the card may be better maybe not type of situation with the current GTX, the 512MB GTX should rule them all and honestly the sky is the limit since its would be the fastest card on how high they could price it. They are making enough money on the 7800GTX right now to not need this card, I had a conversation yesterday where I talked about this constant fluctuation in top end pricing opening the companies up to release cards they might not make otherwise. This is an example I am guessing with the memory and the lower yields on cores that this even at $650 have lower margins then the 7800GTX does now. This makes this card a more *for your enjoyment* card then a mass production card.
Now if they aren't constantly available, and this becomes a PE type card then I will be the first to protest this self inflicted limited quantity business. Also as it is I would rather a company meet supply vs. demand at $650 and keep it there then increase their MSRP after they have released the card.
Hate to take sides but for the consumer niether company is going out of the wy to help us out here but for the second or third time in a row Nvidia has done it the right and ethical way and ATI has not.
Ronin
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Fuad's english has deteriorated rapidly. My god that was a poorly written article.
And look at Ackmed/crazydingo cozey up. It's cute. 2 peas in a pod of ignorance.
Picking and choosing what to believe is wholely based on what common sense dictates.
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Ronin,
Unprovoked flames do not contributing to the discussion.
Either stop such flaming, or stop posting. If you cannot do the first option, we can enforce the second one.
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And look at Ackmed/crazydingo cozey up. It's cute. 2 peas in a pod of ignorance.
Picking and choosing what to believe is wholely based on what common sense dictates.---
Ronin,
Unprovoked flames do not contributing to the discussion.
Either stop such flaming, or stop posting. If you cannot do the first option, we can enforce the second one.
AnandTech Moderator
Truth hurts doesnt it? And quoting it adds to it ! :laugh:Originally posted by: Ronin
And look at Ackmed/crazydingo cozey up. It's cute. 2 peas in a pod of ignorance.
Nobody's picking or choosing here. Neither Ackmed or me said that this story is true, did we ? If you believed Inquirer yesterday, you should believe them today. Dont flip-flop like a hypocrite.
I never said the 7th, or believed the Inquirer about that date. (probably because I kn ow the launch date) Not many days left, and all will be known.
Elfear
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Not sure if I quite agree with you deadseasquirrel. If you take the percent increase going from the single GTX to the SLI'd GTs you get this:
BF2: 73%
Q4: 23%
COD2: 63%
I just don't see a refresh gaining that kind of performance over it's big brother. It's possible, and with the extra 256MB of ram and huge jump in mem frequency it sure looks promising, but that just seems like too big of a jump to me. I'm thinking the SLI'd GTs will still outperform the new 512MB beast. But who knows, I'd like to be proven wrong on this one.
Funny how when an Inquirer article doesn't put Nvidia in a favorable light, you're all of a sudden pouncing on the writing style. Lol.
As I always say, treat any Inquirer report with some skepticism. However, this article seems to state what I suspected might be the case all along. They are clocking these things so high because they need a card to give them the performance crown. They won't be able to supply a whole lot of chips that run at these speeds since they are nothing but cherry picks.
And your opinion/conjecture means squat to pretty much everyone on this forum.
Go back to Rage3D
Not to rag too much on the man, but Fuad's English (typing skill?) isn't really all that great. I emailed him about an article once, and the reply was just unintelligible. However, to the Inq's credit, they've done a really good job of editing his stuff in the past, and a single slip shouldn't be condemned too badly.
-Erwos
Kids, play nice. Unless you personally have inside info on this card, EVERYTHING about these boards is 'opinion/conjecture'.
Ronin
Diamond Member
And unfortunately, anyone that does can't really speak much on it, so I suppose the point is moot.
Then again, according to some, I seem to be the reference to being the nVidia mouthpiece for providing information that is meant to distract from fact (taken from a couple of posts a month or two ago).
Perhaps all the conjecture and comments should simply wait the 5 days, and all of us will find out the real story, since the truth mouthpiece is nVidia themselves (although, some would argue that point as well).
Then again, according to some, I seem to be the reference to being the nVidia mouthpiece for providing information that is meant to distract from fact (taken from a couple of posts a month or two ago).
Perhaps all the conjecture and comments should simply wait the 5 days, and all of us will find out the real story, since the truth mouthpiece is nVidia themselves (although, some would argue that point as well).
I agree. However M0RPH loves to go to great lengths to point out that nothing about this card is offcial and reapeatedly attempts to refute "opinions/conjectures" about clock speeds, prices etc.. made by board members who happen to favor Nvidia. Even people who have insider info such as Rollo and Ronin are repeatedly challenged by this M0RPH character.
If he can't accept "opinions/conjectures" by Nvidia fanboys, but expects us to believe the FUD he spreads, then his comments do not belong on this board as far as I am concerned.
Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Go back to Econ 101 and learn about the supply/demand curve. You can either sell a ton of stuff with a low profit margin to earn a large profit (Wal Mart is a good example) or sell a smaller amount but at higher profit margins to earn a large profit. Back in the 1990s tech bubble people were selling items for a loss, but hey, they were going to make it up on volume sold. Right.
The market for $650 gaming video cards is small. It makes sense to limit production for these gaming cards, especially when the profit margin for $2500 Quadros is much higher and they are using the same chip.
Except it's not going to be a drastic difference. SOmething like $550-$600 with mass quantities wil yield higher profits.
In a way, I agree with you. In fact, that's what I was looking at when I first heard of the 512GTX and how folks with GTs were thinking of upgrading. I kept wondering WHY they would upgrade to a 512GTX when they could get better performance from another GT. I used that same idea, showing the % increase the SLI GTs have. But, we're missing an important piece-- the 512mb of ram, like you mentioned.
So, I started thinking maybe we should be comparing the performance of the XT to the GTX instead of looking at the GTs vs the GTX, since the XT has the ram, albeit it at slower speeds than the 512GTX.
Using your same example, the increase an XT gets over the GTX is:
BF2: 27%
Q4: 27%
COD2: 20%
So, in those games, at those settings, we see how much faster the XT is over the GTX. We just don't know how much faster the 512GTX will be over the XT.... will it be 20-30% faster like the XT over the 256GTX? Less? More? My point is that if we only compare the 512GTX to the performance of a 256GTX, we're not getting the full picture. Word has it that this isn't the 256GTX G70, rather the G71.
I really don't know how it's all gonna turn out, and I've flip-flopped my opinion enough already to be an honorary member of one of the political parties. But it is kinda fun analyzing and discussing it... even if it's something I won't be able to purchase for a good long time
He's free to 'challenge' anyone he wants. It's not really your problem.
He's entitled to his opinions and beliefs just as much as you are, and he wasn't exactly cramming them down people's throats in that last post:
If you feel he's acting childish, being even MORE childish and telling him his opinion "means squat" and he should "go back to Rage3D" is not a constructive response.
Everyone needs to chill out in this thread (and a few others), before the mods do it for you. We're talking about frickin' videocards; there's no need to get worked up and start calling people names over rumored performance numbers or availability issues with a card that's not even out yet.
"How to make friends" By Evga.
http://www.evga.com/Community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9003
Jkhols' post.
According to "The Inquirer", Nvidia, it seems is releasing the card in LIMITED quantities. See article: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27552
As far as the EVGA Step-Up Program is concerned with the GTX512, or any card for that matter, it all depends on "availability" of the Card. We don't know yet.
Remember last April when the EVGA eGeforce 6800 Ultra 512 was released.
"April 29, 2005 - Alienware Chooses EVGA's Genuine Spec e-GeForce 6800 Ultra 512MB Graphics Card to Power Select High-Performance Alienware Area-51 and Aurora Desktop Systems."
Alienware Bought every single EVGA 6800 512 Ultra Made.
So, will Online Retail Stores such as Zipzoomfly, Newegg, TigerDirect, and Monarch Computors get a Crack at them as well? Yes! We know this as one of those companys had inadvertantly advertised the Card and its pdf. Spec Sheet as well.
Will EVGA have any left over for their EVGA Website Product Page or for Step-up Program? Well, right now, We just don't know. The NDA is still in effect, and No one with EVGA Staff or their Channel Partners can say anything about a Graphics Card that has not yet been "Released" by Nvidia. If you want the new "GTX512 Card" Badly, then You need to keep watch on all the Online Retail Stores, starting early Monday Morning on Nov.14th, and if Nvidia release's the new Geforce 7800 GTX512 on that Morning, than the Retail Stores will Post the Card in their Product Line. If you are looking to get a Professionaly Built PC which has a EVGA 7800 GTX512 installed, than again, Monday Morning is the earliest time that they could even advertise the "part", which is of course after Nvidia makes it's Press Release.
The reason I am writing this is that there seems like there are a lot of EVGA Forum Members, who qualify, will want to use there EVGA Step-Up Option(You Can only use it one time) to get their hands on one of these great cards. I had used my Step-Up Option to get the FIRST Blue GTX KO ACS3 Edition, and I had to wait for weeks for ONE to even become available. But just because EVGA releases a new card, it may still not be available to be used with the Step-Up Program. If there are enough GTX512 cards available for the EVGA Step-Up Program, then I am sure that EVGA will put the Part Numbers on the Step-Up list for Registered EVGA Card Holders to Step-Up to.
Right Now, though, if you really want this EVGA GTX512 Card, you may have to get it thru the other Channels. Like I said before, I want 2 of them.JKohl
http://www.evga.com/Community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9003
Jkhols' post.
According to "The Inquirer", Nvidia, it seems is releasing the card in LIMITED quantities. See article: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27552
As far as the EVGA Step-Up Program is concerned with the GTX512, or any card for that matter, it all depends on "availability" of the Card. We don't know yet.
Remember last April when the EVGA eGeforce 6800 Ultra 512 was released.
"April 29, 2005 - Alienware Chooses EVGA's Genuine Spec e-GeForce 6800 Ultra 512MB Graphics Card to Power Select High-Performance Alienware Area-51 and Aurora Desktop Systems."
Alienware Bought every single EVGA 6800 512 Ultra Made.
So, will Online Retail Stores such as Zipzoomfly, Newegg, TigerDirect, and Monarch Computors get a Crack at them as well? Yes! We know this as one of those companys had inadvertantly advertised the Card and its pdf. Spec Sheet as well.
Will EVGA have any left over for their EVGA Website Product Page or for Step-up Program? Well, right now, We just don't know. The NDA is still in effect, and No one with EVGA Staff or their Channel Partners can say anything about a Graphics Card that has not yet been "Released" by Nvidia. If you want the new "GTX512 Card" Badly, then You need to keep watch on all the Online Retail Stores, starting early Monday Morning on Nov.14th, and if Nvidia release's the new Geforce 7800 GTX512 on that Morning, than the Retail Stores will Post the Card in their Product Line. If you are looking to get a Professionaly Built PC which has a EVGA 7800 GTX512 installed, than again, Monday Morning is the earliest time that they could even advertise the "part", which is of course after Nvidia makes it's Press Release.
The reason I am writing this is that there seems like there are a lot of EVGA Forum Members, who qualify, will want to use there EVGA Step-Up Option(You Can only use it one time) to get their hands on one of these great cards. I had used my Step-Up Option to get the FIRST Blue GTX KO ACS3 Edition, and I had to wait for weeks for ONE to even become available. But just because EVGA releases a new card, it may still not be available to be used with the Step-Up Program. If there are enough GTX512 cards available for the EVGA Step-Up Program, then I am sure that EVGA will put the Part Numbers on the Step-Up list for Registered EVGA Card Holders to Step-Up to.
Right Now, though, if you really want this EVGA GTX512 Card, you may have to get it thru the other Channels. Like I said before, I want 2 of them.JKohl
CrystalBay
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There ya go guys. Go get your uber video card for $800. There's no specs for the card but I'm sure that won't stop you.
Ronin
Diamond Member
I am guessing the only reason Mwave still has this listed is because they have no specs showing for the card. As I said previously, they aren't exactly known for their competitive pricing, so it's not likely this is what the card will genuinely be priced at.
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