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7800GT is coming
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apoppin
Lifer
like ATI was on a 3-year roll with r300 [9700p-9800p-9800xt-x800xx] and nVidia had to take a backseat.
it depends on r520 . . . if it is significantly faster than the 7800series, nVidia fans will 'jump ship' in a heatrbeat.. . .. if not, there's always the real xbox360 gpu - the r600. 😉
RussianSensation
Elite Member
I think it's too early to call the defeat of ATI this generation. Except for previous launch when both cards were "paper launched" very close to one another, I dont really recall R200/NV20, R300/NV30 being launched very close within one another. There were major gaps of 3-6 months between various videocard releases from both brands within the same generation. Even if ATI cards are released 2-3 months from now, it is not a big deal as long as they are faster given that the next generational leap won't happen until 12-15 months from now.
The best thing would be for us is for ATI to have R520 > 7800GTX. Then, NV releases a 7800Ultra to compete with R520; prices it at $599. 7800GTX falls to $499. 7800GT at 375mhz gpu speed drops to $399. But that's just wishful thinking...
The best thing would be for us is for ATI to have R520 > 7800GTX. Then, NV releases a 7800Ultra to compete with R520; prices it at $599. 7800GTX falls to $499. 7800GT at 375mhz gpu speed drops to $399. But that's just wishful thinking...
apoppin
Lifer
from what i understand, nVidia is ready for it's PaperLaunch of NV50 - now! -the 7800 is really just a 'refresh' - if ATI moves with their r520 . . . . at least that is what the Inq seems to be hinting.
nVidia is just milking a HUGE Cash Cow with the 7800 series as ATI did with the x800 series. 😉
the gfx wars are really heating up
nitromullet
Diamond Member
I wonder what the clockspeeds will be... If they make it too fast it will canabalize sales of the GTX, make it too slow and it won't be worth the money over the 6800GT. Tough call for nVidia here, if they don't do this right they can end up with high end parts that don't really distinguish themselves from each other except for price.
New GPUs ALWAYS make the prices of older GPUs drop because sales of the older models dry up with people waiting to buy the newer units (i.e., peeps don't won't buyer remorse and only will buy the older stuff if the price if right).
It's just a matter of time before the older GPUs drop in price.
apoppin
Lifer
easy for nVidia . . . they hold all the pricing cards and only need to fit in the new parts in with the old ones and use the old ones to match ati's restructured pricing . . . clearly they want to sell old 6800s for sli also.
Letsee, the 6800u 512MB - nVidia's second fastest card is ~$450 . . . their top card the 7800GTX is ~$600 . . . that leaves a lot of 'room' to price the 7800gt and standard. 😉
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usually . . . but not in this case where there is NO competition from ati yet. That card would have been $500 or $550 if there was a competing product. i figure nVidia is making an extra $50-100 per GPU and selling 2 at-a-time- in most cases. this rehashed GPU isn't all that expensive to make on its .11 micron process nor was R&D a big factor.
nitromullet
Diamond Member
So, they're going to have the 6800 Ultra, 7800, 7800GT, and the 7800GTX all between $450 and $600? Is that really a lot of room?
BillyBobJoel71
Platinum Member
no, but the products will sell alot since there are alot of choices!
apoppin
Lifer
sure . . . off the top of my head [i'm sure nVidia marketing is giving it lot's of thought - matching core frequencies to $$s] 😀
7800GTX - $599
7800GT - $549
7800Std - $499
$6800U/512MB - $449
6800u - $399
. . . and so on
:roll:
adjust them incrementally to match performance ups and downs and also positioned against ATI's lineup. i imagine the 7800std and 6800u/512 will equal ATI's top card ~$450 with the 7600GT & GTX commanding a premium as THE fastest cards.
of course the r520 will probably change this IF it is faster then the 7800 series in which case the very top r520XTPE and fastest 7800GTX-512MB ultra/oc will occupy the $600-650 slot and teh GTX will get discounted.
😀
bunnyfubbles
Lifer
Yeah, the high end is a lot about bragging rights. Whoever has the fastest card on the market, people tend to associate that name as being fast.
Its why the GF2 MX was genious. People looked at what the GeForce 2 GTS could do (and later the GeForce 2 Ultra), and then they saw GeForce 2 MX at less than half the price.
However it is all about trying to remain on top of the hill. Fanboy support and brand recognition builds the longer you're on top. Heck, it took ATI's sheer dominance with the 9700Pro over the Ti 4600, as well as nVidia screwing up the GF5 line for ATI to even claw their way back into competition from a distant 2nd. If it was a neck and neck tie before that, nVidia probably would have collapsed under the pressure, well maybe not because they probably wouldn't have gambled on the 5800U.
Now we're actually at somewhat of a neck and neck tie, ATI is obviously trailing behind again. And I don't think a dominant R520 and/or Crossfire will do the trick alone. IMHO nVidia won the last round not because of the 6800U or SLI, but because their 6200/6600 line was so good in comparison to XTI's X300/X700 line. The 5200/5600s were jokes, so much so that they had to replace the 5600 with a 5700, and even offer a filler 5500. BF2 even runs on the Readeon 9200 line but not the 5200...
The high end are to put up a show, then you use that recognition to push your low end where most of the money is made.
nVidia might not be making much money directly off of their high end, but if they're the only ones with flagship parts, people aren't exactly going to be too concerned with an alternative.
The head start might not be that big of a deal IF the R520 is clearly faster than the 7800GTX and they also offer Crossfire for it as well. THEN ATI also cannot delay release of the midrange / low end lineup like they have done with their flagship. While there aren't many indications that nVidia is going to lose this round, it could easily do a 180 in favor of ATI, and it mostly depends on the R520.
apoppin
Lifer
nvidia IS making money off this 7800 high-end . . . nevermind what having the 'fastest' means for the rest of the line. 😉
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And ati finds itself in the position of 2nd . . . No. 2 . . . also ran . . . runner-up
it IS a big deal. ATI must get their r520 out to compete and then have to deal with the nV50 - shortly.
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And ati finds itself in the position of 2nd . . . No. 2 . . . also ran . . . runner-up
it IS a big deal. ATI must get their r520 out to compete and then have to deal with the nV50 - shortly.
apoppin
Lifer
nV50 is the next generation of GPUs. it's been in development also for quite awhile. i expect that some elements of nv50 are in the PS3 as some elements of r600 are in the xbox360 [but 'don't know'].
of course nVidia is free to change its nomenclature anytime . . . but they seem to be following it for years.
the 7800 is not the "new" complete redesign the 6800 was . . . it is a refresh of the 6800 series much as the x800 series was a refresh of the 9800s.
As ATI readies their r520, nVidia is looking to its 7800 refresh [7850GTX-Ultra O/C-512mb] and then their nV50 to [pre]counter r600. 😉
clearly
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