nitromullet
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- Jan 7, 2004
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You don't think you'll still be at someone else's mercy if you run Linux..? Instead of it being the manufacturers that have interest in making their products available and functional, it will be the open source community who works for free. Your best bet if you run Linux is to buy the absolutely most common hardware that is at least a year old if you want to ensure maximum compatibility - even then, do your research. Linux doesn't give you more options, it just lets you adopt the mindframe that it's ok to make the sacrifices that you do because you're doing it for the greater good.
- Feb 5, 2006
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I have a feeling the whole pci-e move wasn't even necessary to begin with... did the geforce6 series start bottlenecking with the 8x?
SLi was bottle-necked by AGP. If there was no SLi, AMD would still be on AGP and there would be a flouded market of AGP cards.
PCI-Express also provides 75W to the graphics card hence you don't need any Power Connectors for mainstream cards, which simplifies things for the majority of people versus 45W for AGP.
Mainstream meaning Geforce 6600, Geforce 7600 and Radeon X700, Radeon X1600.
Mainstream meaning Geforce 6600, Geforce 7600 and Radeon X700, Radeon X1600.
- Feb 5, 2006
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I don't see what's so great about sli(other then the fact that you have two freakin video cards). It's safe to say that the money you spend on two cards will always get you a single-overall better performance card. 2-7800gt's or 1-1900xtx, the single card takes it.
Plus, you need more power for the extra vid card, gives off more heat and more noise, and generally more of a hassle.
Plus, you need more power for the extra vid card, gives off more heat and more noise, and generally more of a hassle.
You get next gen single card performance today is what is so great about SLI or Crossfire for that matter. It's not that useful if there is a comparable single cards. But 2 X1900 XT's CF or 2 7800 GTX 512 SLI cannot be matched by any single cards TODAY.
Whoever says the 7800gs is faster than the X850XT PE is mistaken. In the reviews I've seen where these two cards are compared, the X850 eats it for breakfast, spits it out and gives a hearty burp. Even the X800XT beats it in FEAR when AA and AF are on (although in most everything else the 7800gs edges by).
But being an Nvidia guy, I want one. I'm patient tho, so I'll just wait until it drops to $250.
But being an Nvidia guy, I want one. I'm patient tho, so I'll just wait until it drops to $250.
nitromullet
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Doubtful... Intel wasn't making anymore AGP chipsets, and ATI and NV were following Intel's lead with video chips and motherboard chipsets. I doubt it would have been possible for AMD to stay an AGP only platform. Especially since the vast majority of people running AMD chips also run an nForce chipset. Notice how the only AGP/PCI-E motherboards around have SiS chipsets. You think this might be because Intel, NV, and ATI are all in agreement that they want to put AGP to bed and transition over to PCI-E.
Sorry, but I don't think the transistion to to PCI-E is becasue of SLI/Crossfire, but rather that these technologies are a benefit of the transistion to PCI-E.
Now, yes the X1900XT takes it, but the two 7800GT's have been available a lot longer than the single X1900XT. Plus, you can Crossfire that X1900XT and nothing will touch it except for another dual card rig, and I don't imagine that a single card will touch it until the next gen of cards due out sometime Q3-Q4.
Edit: Oh yeah, I agree with you... The 7800GS sucks for the price. I wouldn't recommend that card to anyone. If you missed the $200 AMIR X850XT deal at MicroCenter, you might as well save up for a PCI-E rig IMO.
The 7800GS is perfect for nvidia because it disencourages AGP users and force them to buy a PCI-Express mobo and a PCI-E card, that gives nvidia more money, since its the best on the AGP market, they can sell it at 300$ without any problems for those unwilling to bite the bullet and upgrade. But the killer deal for nvidia was being able to use crap G70 cores that would have otherwise gone to waste, I'm sure 16-pipe, 8 ROPs G70 yields are pretty common.
Its a win-win for nvidia anyway you see it but its loss for those who pay 300$ for the card.
Its a win-win for nvidia anyway you see it but its loss for those who pay 300$ for the card.
You are forgetting nVidia, AMD, ATI and Intel and the whole industry for that matter ARE business and thus they want to make money, being able to promote 2X the performance with SLI is a great selling point, it doesn't matter a single 7800GTX is enough for today's games because Crossfire X1900XTXs are much better anyways, you see where I'm getting at? its the same with the change from AGP to PCI-E, we don't need it, but its a great selling point.
nVidia, ATI, AMD and Intel don't want what is best for their customers, they want whatever can net them more money.
evolucion8
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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=9
With the Radeon X850 XTPE holding the top spot on AGP hardware up until now, NVIDIA hasn't had a solid high performance AGP showing since the power hungry 6800 Ultra. With prices on the aging, high-end 6 series parts absurdly high, it is quite nice to see an AGP 7 series part show up with good performance, lower power requirements, better features and a friendlier price tag, at about $300. Even though the X850 XTPE is generally faster than the new NVIDIA part, the price tag is a little steeper as well, at about $400. This leaves ATI holding onto a claim for the fastest AGP solution out there, but the feature set of the 7 series part is a bit more refined than that of the venerable X850.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/02/nvidia_7800gs_confirms_agp_aint_dead_yet/
In Fear the X850 holds an advantage of 12% in most of the resolutions, if you move from the X850XT PE to a 7800 GS, you;re sacrificing performance for feature set. I really doubt that the 7800GS with those 8ROPS will do well with Anti Aliasing in high resolutions, and handling HDR. Quite useless for me. ( In a performance view)
With the Radeon X850 XTPE holding the top spot on AGP hardware up until now, NVIDIA hasn't had a solid high performance AGP showing since the power hungry 6800 Ultra. With prices on the aging, high-end 6 series parts absurdly high, it is quite nice to see an AGP 7 series part show up with good performance, lower power requirements, better features and a friendlier price tag, at about $300. Even though the X850 XTPE is generally faster than the new NVIDIA part, the price tag is a little steeper as well, at about $400. This leaves ATI holding onto a claim for the fastest AGP solution out there, but the feature set of the 7 series part is a bit more refined than that of the venerable X850.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/02/nvidia_7800gs_confirms_agp_aint_dead_yet/
In Fear the X850 holds an advantage of 12% in most of the resolutions, if you move from the X850XT PE to a 7800 GS, you;re sacrificing performance for feature set. I really doubt that the 7800GS with those 8ROPS will do well with Anti Aliasing in high resolutions, and handling HDR. Quite useless for me. ( In a performance view)
cmdrdredd
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I wouldn't say it sucks, but they did limit it alot. It's a bit weak, and no AGP is not the limitation yet. The thing is, Nvidia just wants to market a card using a GPU from current gen at the consumer who doesn't want to buy a new system when they just built/bought their current rig. The fact that they limited it just tells me they want you to say it sucks and upgrade to PCI-E
For roughly $80 more than this cost you could have an nVidia SLi mobo and a 7800GT. EVGA bundle. If you've got 939 (which quite a few do) then there is no reason to get this thing IMO.
yep it's a ripoff, but you don't have many choices in AGP anymore so expect to get overcharged for legacy.
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