7800GS AGP with G71

[Slaimus]

I have seen posts of Leadtek and Pine/XFX 7800GS cards with G71 chips. Can anyone confirm this is the case? Any other brands using G71s?

 

[Stumps]

Gainward 7800GS+ 512mb....however it is not availible in the US.

 

[Assimilator1]

I thought the Gainward was the only one with the 7900GT chip (7800GS+ ,latest version) ,live & learn

 

[Sootymooty]

The Gainward 7800GS+ uses a G71 chip with all functioning pipelines.

The newer versions of the Leadtek 7800GS use a G71 core with disabled pipelines which are laser cut (16 pipelines active and no way to reenable them!)

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Sootymooty
The Gainward 7800GS+ uses a G71 chip with all functioning pipelines.

The newer versions of the Leadtek 7800GS use a G71 core with disabled pipelines which are laser cut (16 pipelines active and no way to reenable them!)

Sorry of topic...

Sootymooty what 7800gs do you have 20 or 24 pipes?
Can you post some benchmarks?
Just wana see what I'm missing with only 16 pipes

 

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: Sootymooty
The Gainward 7800GS+ uses a G71 chip with all functioning pipelines.

The newer versions of the Leadtek 7800GS use a G71 core with disabled pipelines which are laser cut (16 pipelines active and no way to reenable them!)

Ah yes ,that was their advantage
But its bloody expensive at ~£233!:Q ,I settled with a 2nd hand XT800XT PE for £92

 

[Stumps]

Gainward 7800GS+ 512mb goes for AU$530

Gainward ward also made a 7800GS based on the full 7800GT core with all 20 pipelines unlocked.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1

Originally posted by: Sootymooty
The Gainward 7800GS+ uses a G71 chip with all functioning pipelines.

The newer versions of the Leadtek 7800GS use a G71 core with disabled pipelines which are laser cut (16 pipelines active and no way to reenable them!)

Ah yes ,that was their advantage
But its bloody expensive at ~£233!:Q ,I settled with a 2nd hand XT800XT PE for £92

that x800XTPE is almost as fast as a 7800GS AGP. they really shafted the AGP version, so be glad you saved $$

 

[Assimilator1]

Yep
Though Gainwards 7900GT version of the 7800GS (7800GS+ 512MB, has 24 pipes vs the std 16pipes) is loads faster ,but also as mentioned it's loads more

 

[evolucion8]

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1

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Originally posted by: Sootymooty
The Gainward 7800GS+ uses a G71 chip with all functioning pipelines.

The newer versions of the Leadtek 7800GS use a G71 core with disabled pipelines which are laser cut (16 pipelines active and no way to reenable them!)
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Ah yes ,that was their advantage
But its bloody expensive at ~£233! ,I settled with a 2nd hand XT800XT PE for £92


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that x800XTPE is almost as fast as a 7800GS AGP. they really shafted the AGP version, so be glad you saved $$

Actually, the X800XTPE outperforms the 7800GS in most benchmarks, and sometimes is able to sniff the heels of the 7800GT, look here http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=575&model2=527&chart=211

Here too: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=1, Even though they use the X850XT PE, it is barely faster than the X800XT PE, cause even though the X800XT PE runs 20MHz lower on core speed and 60MHz lower on memory speed, the RAM timings are more tight, that's why sometimes, some latency sensitive games may run a bit faster on the X800XT PE, but anyways, the X850XT PE is 5% faster at most. In the Anandtech article, at the end of the article, they state the following:

With the Radeon X850 XTPE holding the top spot on AGP hardware up until now, NVIDIA hasn't had a solid high performance AGP showing since the power hungry 6800 Ultra. With prices on the aging, high-end 6 series parts absurdly high, it is quite nice to see an AGP 7 series part show up with good performance, lower power requirements, better features and a friendlier price tag, at about $300. Even though the X850 XTPE is generally faster than the new NVIDIA part, the price tag is a little steeper as well, at about $400. This leaves ATI holding onto a claim for the fastest AGP solution out there, but the feature set of the 7 series part is a bit more refined than that of the venerable X850.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=9

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1

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Originally posted by: Sootymooty
The Gainward 7800GS+ uses a G71 chip with all functioning pipelines.

The newer versions of the Leadtek 7800GS use a G71 core with disabled pipelines which are laser cut (16 pipelines active and no way to reenable them!)
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Ah yes ,that was their advantage
But its bloody expensive at ~£233! ,I settled with a 2nd hand XT800XT PE for £92


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that x800XTPE is almost as fast as a 7800GS AGP. they really shafted the AGP version, so be glad you saved $$

Actually, the X800XTPE outperforms the 7800GS in most benchmarks, and sometimes is able to sniff the heels of the 7800GT, look here http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=575&model2=527&chart=211

Here too: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=1, Even though they use the X850XT PE, it is barely faster than the X800XT PE, cause even though the X800XT PE runs 20MHz lower on core speed and 60MHz lower on memory speed, the RAM timings are more tight, that's why sometimes, some latency sensitive games may run a bit faster on the X800XT PE, but anyways, the X850XT PE is 5% faster at most. In the Anandtech article, at the end of the article, they state the following:

With the Radeon X850 XTPE holding the top spot on AGP hardware up until now, NVIDIA hasn't had a solid high performance AGP showing since the power hungry 6800 Ultra. With prices on the aging, high-end 6 series parts absurdly high, it is quite nice to see an AGP 7 series part show up with good performance, lower power requirements, better features and a friendlier price tag, at about $300. Even though the X850 XTPE is generally faster than the new NVIDIA part, the price tag is a little steeper as well, at about $400. This leaves ATI holding onto a claim for the fastest AGP solution out there, but the feature set of the 7 series part is a bit more refined than that of the venerable X850.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=9

I think you might have to have a look at those benchmarks again....the 7800GS+ is still way ahead of the X800XT and the 7800GT.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: evolucion8
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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1

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Originally posted by: Sootymooty
The Gainward 7800GS+ uses a G71 chip with all functioning pipelines.

The newer versions of the Leadtek 7800GS use a G71 core with disabled pipelines which are laser cut (16 pipelines active and no way to reenable them!)
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Ah yes ,that was their advantage
But its bloody expensive at ~£233! ,I settled with a 2nd hand XT800XT PE for £92


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that x800XTPE is almost as fast as a 7800GS AGP. they really shafted the AGP version, so be glad you saved $$

Actually, the X800XTPE outperforms the 7800GS in most benchmarks, and sometimes is able to sniff the heels of the 7800GT, look here http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=575&model2=527&chart=211

Here too: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=1, Even though they use the X850XT PE, it is barely faster than the X800XT PE, cause even though the X800XT PE runs 20MHz lower on core speed and 60MHz lower on memory speed, the RAM timings are more tight, that's why sometimes, some latency sensitive games may run a bit faster on the X800XT PE, but anyways, the X850XT PE is 5% faster at most. In the Anandtech article, at the end of the article, they state the following:

With the Radeon X850 XTPE holding the top spot on AGP hardware up until now, NVIDIA hasn't had a solid high performance AGP showing since the power hungry 6800 Ultra. With prices on the aging, high-end 6 series parts absurdly high, it is quite nice to see an AGP 7 series part show up with good performance, lower power requirements, better features and a friendlier price tag, at about $300. Even though the X850 XTPE is generally faster than the new NVIDIA part, the price tag is a little steeper as well, at about $400. This leaves ATI holding onto a claim for the fastest AGP solution out there, but the feature set of the 7 series part is a bit more refined than that of the venerable X850.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=9

I think you might have to have a look at those benchmarks again....the 7800GS+ is still way ahead of the X800XT and the 7800GT.

The 7800GS+ Bliss (The one with the 7900GT core and 24 pixel pipelines) is faster than the X800XTPE, but the ones with the 7800GS or 7900GT core with 16 pixel pipelines, doesn't offer advantage except feature set.

 

[Assimilator1]

Agreed

I was talking about the 7800GS+ 512MB (24 pixel pipes)

 

[Sootymooty]

I game at relatively low resolutions 1280x1024 and when I made the jump from my x800XT PE -> 7800GS+ (24 pipes) games were smoother, but the main drawing point was I could turn up all details on games and run with 4xAA and 16xAF.

E.g. playing F.E.A.R on my previous card I had no AA and mostly medium details, FPS was fairly smooth whereas with my new card FPS is almost always >30FPS with 2xAA and everything on high.

I went with the overpriced 7800GS+ because it's going to be my last (really!) upgrade for my AGP system. Really. Last upgrade!

 

[Slaimus]

I did not mean the "hidden" 7900GT chips, but regular 7800GS cards that have switched over to G71 for cost savings.

The Leadtek one has a lot of references on forums, but it does seem to be for sale at any major store.

EDIT: another reference

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Sootymooty
I game at relatively low resolutions 1280x1024 and when I made the jump from my x800XT PE -> 7800GS+ (24 pipes) games were smoother, but the main drawing point was I could turn up all details on games and run with 4xAA and 16xAF.

E.g. playing F.E.A.R on my previous card I had no AA and mostly medium details, FPS was fairly smooth whereas with my new card FPS is almost always >30FPS with 2xAA and everything on high.

I went with the overpriced 7800GS+ because it's going to be my last (really!) upgrade for my AGP system. Really. Last upgrade!

Quite strange, I was able to run F.E.AR. with my X800XTPE at 1024x768 with everything on high except soft shadows which looks ugly and 4x FSAA and 16x Aniso using Triple Buffering on DXTweaker and the game rarely dip below the 40's. I was able to run it also at 1280x1024 with everything on high except softshadows using triple Buffering but lowering down the anti aliasing at 2x, cause at 4x it would stutter more because of the need of more RAM and VRAM, it never dip below the 30's but was running most of the time between 35 and 42fps and since I use CRT, 60hz gaming sucks. And with only 1GB of RAM, probably with more RAM the performance would increase, and using triple buffering really increase the performance when you not are VRAM limited in a given resolution.

 

[Stumps]

according to the NV control panel my BFG 7800GS OC is a G71 with 16 pipelines

 

[Slaimus]

This is the first I have heard of BFG with G71 core. I guess they are randomly mixed in.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Slaimus
This is the first I have heard of BFG with G71 core. I guess they are randomly mixed in.

yeah, i assumed when i bought it the other day that all BFG 7800GS's were plain old G70 cores, but this one (it has a different HSF unit to others that I've seen) reports as a G71, it rarely gets over 48C at full load according to the NV control panel.