crazydingo
Golden Member
Yep I'm dead wrong, you can assume that and be happy. Doesnt change squat.
Yeah, the fact that he attacked another member in that thread obviously "owning" him on multiple occasions was not?
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7800 ultra is indeed coming.
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Hacp
Lifer
I skipped all the arguing, but shouldn't Nvidia be able to reach even higher speeds with lets say more voltage and a bigger 2 slot cooler? I was thinking more like 525/1500, but maybe that is impossible?
From what I hear, the heat output and power requirements SHOULD be upped a bit since the memory is the one that makes the card power hungry (at least thats the case with the X1800XT). (I have no official knowledge of the suppsed ultra card so don't quote me on that). Despite that, it will still run well if they have a 2 slot cooler with an exhaust. I personally like those better, as they don't add to case temps and should help even witht he CPU temps 🙂.
From what I hear, the heat output and power requirements SHOULD be upped a bit since the memory is the one that makes the card power hungry (at least thats the case with the X1800XT). (I have no official knowledge of the suppsed ultra card so don't quote me on that). Despite that, it will still run well if they have a 2 slot cooler with an exhaust. I personally like those better, as they don't add to case temps and should help even witht he CPU temps 🙂.
imported_Rampage
Senior member
Wow keep digging deeper.
You really need to worry about yourself. Not me and other threads. You will make less enemys that way.
Like Kalessian said. Leave my name out of this, you smugly mentioned me in this thread otherwise I wouldnt have even stepped in at all. Digging your own grave.
Just replying to these guys points directly and in quotes.. if you can't just say you hadn't thought of it that way and move on with your life.. ?
Cookie Monster
Diamond Member
QFT, but i think its possible. Isnt the GTX at 1.4v? and the GT 1.2v? I heard you could get pretty high clocks by upping the voltage on the GTX cards. But then the ultra or a higher GTX would also producing the same amount of power usage. BTW it is a 24pipe card so.
crazydingo
Golden Member
Enemys? What are you turtle or something?
Exactly. What Zober. Kalle did was put words in my mouth.
I seemed to have forgotten that higher memory speeds means more power consumption. Thanks for pointing that out.
I think 525 mhz isn't asking too much. 500mhz is more reasonable, though. And this is dual-slot... expect the higher memory speeds to add to the heat. Single slot couldn't get away with 500/1500.
What kind of temps are people getting from 7800GTX cards at 500+ mhz with the nv silencer?
Cookie Monster
Diamond Member
Think it was 40~ idle, 65~ load.
Some of them reached speeds up to 520/1400 with NV silencer 5 rev3.
Edit- the 4500 quadro runs at 550mhz with its cooler. And the fact the temps are about 50ish idle 67ish load at those clocks i wouldnt be surprised if Nvidia used these coolers on the "ultra" or the GTX 512mb variant.
Edit2- its made out of aluminium, imagine that heat sink made out of copper 😀
Some of them reached speeds up to 520/1400 with NV silencer 5 rev3.
Edit- the 4500 quadro runs at 550mhz with its cooler. And the fact the temps are about 50ish idle 67ish load at those clocks i wouldnt be surprised if Nvidia used these coolers on the "ultra" or the GTX 512mb variant.
Edit2- its made out of aluminium, imagine that heat sink made out of copper 😀
JackBurton
Lifer
Damn, it looks like they squeezed an ASS load of money from you. Two 7800GTX KOs?!:Q 🙂
That would kind of suck... I'm hoping there would be reason for me to sell my GTX (look for it at ~375.00 and now with the NV Silencer 5!) and spend a couple hundred to get the Ultra... but if that's all the difference, I'm within a few % of that already not counting the 512
Keysplayr
Elite Member
Yes, you do have some nice clockage there Frakal. 490/1380 with NV silencer.
On the other hand, the 1.26ns GDDR3 could reach close to 1600 if cooled decently and the extra 256MB of mem is also nice as a couple of games seem to be benefitting from it now.
Now if it is a die shrink to 90nm, look for no less than 550MHz core.
On the other hand, the 1.26ns GDDR3 could reach close to 1600 if cooled decently and the extra 256MB of mem is also nice as a couple of games seem to be benefitting from it now.
Now if it is a die shrink to 90nm, look for no less than 550MHz core.
Cookie Monster
Diamond Member
G71 and the G72. Also G73M if you look at the list from the 81 series driver as it supports these new cards.
The G72 is apparently the refesh of the G70 hence the 7800 series.
The 7600GT would be nice 🙂
The G72 is apparently the refesh of the G70 hence the 7800 series.
The 7600GT would be nice 🙂
Considering most sources indicate that the PS3 GPU is little more than the G70 on 90nm, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to put that same tech back into the PC GPU. I wouldn't expect miracles in increases, but a low 500's core with ~1500 mem would be a very strong competitor to the x1800XT. Of course, back to the original point, if nV really meant it when they said no Ultra, they could just be banking on the GTX's strong scaling and the ease of SLi, being that no one knows when x1800XT Crossfire Editions will show up.
Oh and just to quickly address the little sidetrack earlier: Southpawuni, please don't defend me, you're just as bad as him, you just bat for the other team. I care little for fanboys; both red and green varieties are equally annoying. That being said, don't let him bait you when it's clear he's trolling for a response.
Oh and just to quickly address the little sidetrack earlier: Southpawuni, please don't defend me, you're just as bad as him, you just bat for the other team. I care little for fanboys; both red and green varieties are equally annoying. That being said, don't let him bait you when it's clear he's trolling for a response.
Cookie Monster
Diamond Member
Just a little off topic:
From digitimes about the G72, it said we might be seeing alot of SLi type cards like the 3d1 6~00 series from gigabyte and Asus dual.
IF Nvidia is going multi threaded for its drivers, i have a feeling that Nvidia might be going dual GPU. The 90nm transfer apparently shrinks the die size by alot, and im suspecting Nvidia do that. Just specualation..
From digitimes about the G72, it said we might be seeing alot of SLi type cards like the 3d1 6~00 series from gigabyte and Asus dual.
IF Nvidia is going multi threaded for its drivers, i have a feeling that Nvidia might be going dual GPU. The 90nm transfer apparently shrinks the die size by alot, and im suspecting Nvidia do that. Just specualation..
Elfear
Diamond Member
Both the 7800GTX and the X1800XT are great cards from the reviews I've seen. Not a whole bunch of info is available on the overclocking potential of the latter card but from the little I've seen it does have pretty good headroom. Here is an interesting read about one of the guru overclockers. Yes, the card was cooled with exotic cooling (dry ice) but Sampsa says that he didn't experience any artifacting at 860MHz and only stopped there because of a limitation in the software he was using. He only bumped the voltage to the gpu by .1V to achieve that too. Couple that with the fact the X1800XL he tried with only an XT cooler reached 700/1400 and my curiosity is definetely piqued.
The one overclocking area where I think the X1800XT has a distinct advantage over the 7800GTX is the voltage regulation. From the above mentioned article, it looks like voltage for the ATI cards (both core and mem) can be controlled via software instead of a somewhat complicated voltmod like the 7800GTX's need. For anyone with watercooling or high-end aircooling that is a HUGE boon. No more sweaty hands as you try to solder a trim pot onto your $500+ card, now as long as you can keep your mouse steady you can bump the voltage up.
Most guys with 7800GTX's seem stuck at ~520MHz on the core, even with fairly good cooling (H2O) because of the lack of voltage. If the headroom of the X1800XT proves to be good I'll probably sell off my 7800GTX for one just for the that reason alone.
The one overclocking area where I think the X1800XT has a distinct advantage over the 7800GTX is the voltage regulation. From the above mentioned article, it looks like voltage for the ATI cards (both core and mem) can be controlled via software instead of a somewhat complicated voltmod like the 7800GTX's need. For anyone with watercooling or high-end aircooling that is a HUGE boon. No more sweaty hands as you try to solder a trim pot onto your $500+ card, now as long as you can keep your mouse steady you can bump the voltage up.
Most guys with 7800GTX's seem stuck at ~520MHz on the core, even with fairly good cooling (H2O) because of the lack of voltage. If the headroom of the X1800XT proves to be good I'll probably sell off my 7800GTX for one just for the that reason alone.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
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My thoughts exactly; may it push the prices down.
How can it be a "bad investment" with a double lifetime warranty?
Nitro told you his EVGAs are still single slot, and that the only difference is the decorative casing?
Because XFX uses a stock cooler? (and EVGAs is close)
Why insult him when he's not even in this thread? (I see he joined to defend himself, but still, there was no reason to call him out here because of past disagreements)
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