"haha, guy?" Are you still in high school?
How many languages do you speak? Only 1?
I speak 3, but why does that matter? Are you just looking for something else to try to attack of my character? If you haven't noticed - I try to type in a casual matter.
You okay with that, guy?
Many people have expressed this viewpoint many times.
You're 100% right, and not once did I ever respond to them saying I disagreed with them.
That applies to any product in the world then. Using your logic, all products are prices accordingly. Then no argument would ever take place. Arguing that something is priced @ X today because it has no competition is not an argument. It's stating the obvious. No one disputes that view. Which is why it's not even an argument in the first place.
? What!? That's all people are arguing. Then they use some ratio of price to perf gains as justification.
That whole blurb that made no sense to me. You need to explain it better. Technology gets cheaper over time or much better. HD7950 is none of those things.
Technology does get cheaper and better. HD 7950 is cheaper and marginally better. It just isn't doing either in spades. So, again...what are you complaining about? 1% or 10% faster is still faster. If you can't justify paying less for a product that is generally better, than just buy the GTX 580. If you already own a GTX 580 get an HD 7970 or wait for Kepler.
If HD7870 is only as fast as an HD6970, it should cost way less. In other words, on the technology curve, HD7870 would need to be 30-50% faster than HD6970 at $379 OR cost 40-50% less than HD6970 if it's only as fast as the HD6970.
Sorry, I have no metrics to compare an HD 7870 to nor do I know the price. If you have either sets of information I'd love to see them.
My opinion is based on how technology works. If you don't think technology should get much cheaper and / or faster over time, then we disagree about how innovation should take place in the world.
Notice how I never said I didn't disagree with you, it's just clear we disagree on what constitutes as "innovation." You are clearly upset that these new cards aren't leaps and bounds better. I'm upset that they aren't better than what they are, but meh I can accept where they are.
No one said anything about double gains. It should fall in-line with previous technological gains in the world of graphics since we are specifically comparing graphics cards.
But that's just it - it did fall within reasonable gains for the AMD family. The gains are there, the only issue people have with the gains is they are dwarfed by the price. Unfortunately, since the HD 4K series, we've all been paying more and more with each new card released. If you haven't noticed - both parties keep raising the price when they launch a flagship card first (minus GTX 480 to GTX 580, where it plateaued.)
Are you serious? Every 18 months Intel releases something much faster at a similar price level. What a failed comparison. Using performance increases expected on the CPU technological curve (usually 15% IPC every new generation from Intel and 5% on refreshes) and applying them to GPUs is the most failed comparison I've ever seen.
Fortunately for Intel, AMD-CPU doesn't really compete in the higher bracket of performing chips. So it is relatively easy for them to set their own prices. nVidia and AMD-GPU have both been increasing prices as they 1-up each other.
Where did that competition come from? Maybe from the better performing, possible unlockable shaders, quieter and cheaper $300 6950 2gb card from AMD themselves that made the 5870 2gb card obsolete? It makes absolutely no sense to defend no movement in the price to performance ratio after a year and a half. So in 1-2 years does that mean you'll defend the price of the say... a hd 8970 at $700 because it offers 20% better performance then a $550 7970 that came out the year before. Then a $850 9970 the generation after that because again its 20% faster. Because that's would be natural progression of pricing when the price to performance ratio doesn't move.
edit: Make that 30% faster.
Okay, here read this response I'm tired of having to answer these stupid "well, with your logic we'll be paying 2 billion dollars for GPUs in 2015"
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33088259&postcount=112
Oh that's something I missed. So you bought an HD5870 for $480 and you are trying to justify the pricing of HD7900 series, that launches 15 months later? Powercolor HD5870 2GB Eyefinity was on sale for $180 on SlickDeals way back. Looks like you are 1% of 1% who needs 6 monitors Eyefinity, doesn't care if his $500 GPU loses $300 in value in 12 months and didn't mind paying 50% the market rate of most 5870s all the way back then, and don't time your purchases at all (for some reason). Everything makes sense now. Price/performance or GPU cycles or GPU depreciation or timing = all are irrelevant for you because you are 1% of 1% who uses 6 monitors on a single 5870. :thumbsup:
Ah some more personal insults. Nice to know when you run out of methods to counter my points your true side shows. So I can't time my purchase? I bought in April 2010, after waiting for Fermi to release. I looked at the cards available and I made a decision to buy something that would support an idea I've been wanting to implement for a while. Unfortunately because of gouging, when I bought my HD 5870 2GB it was only going for about ~$80 more than what a HD 5870 was going for, you can even see that price reflection over at Anandtech's review when it launched:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3621/amds-radeon-hd-5870-eyefinity-6-edition-reviewed
The extra memory and five adapters that you get in the box do come at a price. The Radeon HD 5870 E6 Edition is expected to retail for $479. That's $100 more than the MSRP of the 5870 but only $59 more than its actual street price. It remains to be seen what the street price of the 5870 E6 will end up being given that TSMC 40nm production is still limited with improved but not yet perfect yields. These cards should be available immediately.
Update 4/1/2010: Launch prices appear to have missed their target. We're seeing the 5870E6 sold out at $499, and in-stock elsewhere at $549. This puts it at an $80 premium over the reference 1GB 5870.
When did this SlickDeals occur? Because it sure wasn't when I bought my card in April 2010...actually, guess I was wrong checking my receipt, I actually ordered March 31, 2010 - day of release.
Are you done attacking me? Frankly, you're doing a poor job.
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