7770 or 560SE?

[Gordon Freemen]

Here's a chinese review of GTX 560 SE, pitted against 7770: http://www.expreview.com/18741-5.html

It shows 560 SE leads by 8.42% in their benchmark suite.

Yup that sounds about right from my testing on my 560SE which puts the 560SE right about on par with the 6850 which was nvidia's intended competition to begin with.

 

[RussianSensation]

GTX560 SE vs. HD6850. You just said GTX560SE is a cut down 460. HD6850 ~ 460, so no 560SE is not as fast as the 6850. NV's competition for the 6850 has always been the 460. Even looking at the specs, 560SE is neutered 460 card, and it takes a real GTX460 @ 810-850mhz to match a GTX470/GTX560Ti/HD6850 @ 6870 speeds. So can you please explain how a 560SE ~ 6850? That's impossible.

 

[toyota]

the gtx560se is basically dead even with the gtx460 768mb. overall a gtx560se is probably about 10% slower than a 6850.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

the gtx560se is basically dead even with the gtx460 768mb. overall a gtx560se is probably about 10% slower than a 6850.

Agreed and Thanx for clearing that up. But I would say the EVGA @ 800Mhz is allot closer than within 10% to the 6850 across many games.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

GTX560 SE vs. HD6850. You just said GTX560SE is a cut down 460. HD6850 ~ 460, so no 560SE is not as fast as the 6850. NV's competition for the 6850 has always been the 460. Even looking at the specs, 560SE is neutered 460 card, and it takes a real GTX460 @ 810-850mhz to match a GTX470/GTX560Ti/HD6850 @ 6870 speeds. So can you please explain how a 560SE ~ 6850? That's impossible.

How close would you say a 7770 is to the performance of a 6850 ?

 

[RussianSensation]

How close would you say a 7770 is to the performance of a 6850 ?

Ok, this thread is really getting way more complicated than it should be. I went through that review Toyota posted and dug deep for actual specs of the GTX560SE:

Reference GTX560SE clock speeds of 736/1472/3828 mhz memory

The review Toyota linked uses an overclocked GTX560SE with clocks (801/1601/4008mhz memory). So you guys linked me an 8.8% factory preoverclocked GTX560SE to justify that it's 8% faster than a stock HD7770/6850 that I was using for comparison this entire time. That 8% advantage the 8.8% overclocked 560SE has is no wonder why none of the the #s added up against a stock 7770/6850/GTX460. :sneaky:

A stock 560SE card is going to be = HD7770 and thus 10% slower than a stock 6850 card. An overclocked 800mhz 560SE = stock HD6850 but HD6850 can be overclocked to 6870 speeds. At those speeds it'll be miles away from an overclocked 560SE (~ GTX460 1GB).

None of this really matters since 560SE loses to an HD6850 / GTX560 which cost $130 on Newegg and right now it costs $25 more than an HD7770, while consuming more power and having last generation feature set. Again, you asked me to go into greath depth to find such specific information but in the end all it has done is wasted a bunch of time to show you that a GTX560SE is 10% slower than a stock 6850 and that an overclocked 560SE has no chance whatsoever to catch an overclocked 6850, which is what I said from the beginning (if you guys didn't link me a review with an overclocked 560SE, this thread would have been over a long-time ago).

In the end, you have actually ignored both the OP's request and the current pricing structure of 560SE vs. the much cheaper 7770 or the faster 6850/560 cards on Newegg in trying to prove a point that GTX560SE is "as good as the 6850", and in the end even that has been shown to be false, while not helping the OP at all since at $130, GTX560SE is terribly overpriced and shouldn't even a consideration.

 

[toyota]

the only argument for the 560se would be that it does much better in BF 3 which is a popular game that people sink tons of hours into. other than that there is no reason to consider the 560se over 7770 if they are the same price.

 

[RussianSensation]

the gtx560se is basically dead even with the gtx460 768mb. overall a gtx560se is probably about 10% slower than a 6850.

Exactly. :thumbsup: And if someone wants an NV card, GTX560 1GB costs the same as the 560SE on Newegg.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Exactly. :thumbsup: And if someone wants an NV card, GTX560 1GB costs the same as the 560SE on Newegg.

No it cost $30 more for the GTX 560 vanilla. Also if the 560SE is over 8% faster than the HD7770 as depicted here http://www.expreview.com/18741-5.html then that means according to you're opinion that would make the HD7770 close to 20% slower than an HD6850 GPU.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Ok, this thread is really getting way more complicated than it should be. I went through that review Toyota posted and dug deep for actual specs of the GTX560SE:

Reference GTX560SE clock speeds of 736/1472/3828 mhz memory

The review Toyota linked uses an overclocked GTX560SE with clocks (801/1601/4008mhz memory). So you guys linked me an 8.8% factory preoverclocked GTX560SE to justify that it's 8% faster than a stock HD7770/6850 that I was using for comparison this entire time. That 8% advantage the 8.8% overclocked 560SE has is no wonder why none of the the #s added up against a stock 7770/6850/GTX460. :sneaky:

A stock 560SE card is going to be = HD7770 and thus 10% slower than a stock 6850 card. An overclocked 800mhz 560SE = stock HD6850 but HD6850 can be overclocked to 6870 speeds. At those speeds it'll be miles away from an overclocked 560SE (~ GTX460 1GB).

None of this really matters since 560SE loses to an HD6850 / GTX560 which cost $130 on Newegg and right now it costs $25 more than an HD7770, while consuming more power and having last generation feature set. Again, you asked me to go into greath depth to find such specific information but in the end all it has done is wasted a bunch of time to show you that a GTX560SE is 10% slower than a stock 6850 and that an overclocked 560SE has no chance whatsoever to catch an overclocked 6850, which is what I said from the beginning (if you guys didn't link me a review with an overclocked 560SE, this thread would have been over a long-time ago).

In the end, you have actually ignored both the OP's request and the current pricing structure of 560SE vs. the much cheaper 7770 or the faster 6850/560 cards on Newegg in trying to prove a point that GTX560SE is "as good as the 6850", and in the end even that has been shown to be false, while not helping the OP at all since at $130, GTX560SE is terribly overpriced and shouldn't even a consideration.

So at 800Mhz 560SE is on par with 6850 thanx for clearing that up.

A GPU is not about conserving electricity it is about playing games LOL.