7770 or 560SE?

[pez1975]

both of these cards i can get for 119 for my budget gaming build which one would you recomend?

 

[jacktesterson]

A 6850

 

[RussianSensation]

HD7770 no doubt. Less power consumption and faster performance.

Here is a quick GPU performance guide:
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?p=41174

You can find HD7770 Ghz edition for $105 actually.

 

[pez1975]

thanks for the gpu reformance guide that helps alot

 

[toyota]

HD7770 no doubt. Less power consumption and faster performance.

Here is a quick GPU performance guide:
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?p=41174

You can find HD7770 Ghz edition for $105 actually.

the 7770 is not faster than the 560se except in 1 or 2 games. basically they are about even but the 560se is slightly faster overall.

that said I would suggest the 7770 for sure though. only reason I got the 560se is because I did not want to fool with changing to AMD drivers.

 

[Arkadrel]

Going by the 560 SE is somewhere between the 550 and the 560, Im guessing its performance is close to the 7770's.

However I heard it uses like twice as much power.
Can you get a 560 SE for around 105-110$ ? you can get a 7770 for that.

Looks like the 560 SE 's are going for around 130$.

If you ask me, a 7770 looks like a better buy.
However... the best you can do is something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121419

^ ASUS 6850 (with nice cooling solution) for 130$ is a steal.
why recammend a 6850? because they overclock really well and have a 256bit bus going for them.
From a bang-4-buck point of view, this is the best of the 3 cards (7770,560SE,6850) once overclocking is factored in.

the 7770 is not faster than the 560se.

A 7770 is faster than a 6850, and a 460 1GB is..... so its probably close to the 560SE or ahead of it.
Its really hard to find a benchmark of a 7770 that has a 560SE in it as well, so Im just going by compaireing charts of both.

I think their around same performance (stock vs stock).
But the 7770 uses around half the power of the 560SE, and has newer tech/features.

 

[toyota]

Going by the 560 SE is somewhere between the 550 and the 560, Im guessing its performance is close to the 7770's.

However I heard it uses like twice as much power.
Can you get a 560 SE for around 105-110$ ? you can get a 7770 for that.

Looks like the 560 SE 's are going for around 130$.

If you ask me, a 7770 looks like a better buy.
However... the best you can do is something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121419

^ ASUS 6850 (with nice cooling solution) for 130$ is a steal.

no the 7770 for 105 bucks is a much better deal than the 6850 for 130. with newer drivers, the 7770 nearly matches the 6850 anyway.

 

[RussianSensation]

the 7770 is not faster than the 560se except in 1 or 2 games. basically they are about even but the 560se is slightly faster overall.

that said I would suggest the 7770 for sure though. only reason I got the 560se is because I did not want to fool with changing to AMD drivers.

Maybe you are right. I can't find GTX560SE vs. 7770 reviews but that guy keeps updating the list with reviews he finds online. I checked so many cards on that list and they all check out. So I trust that chart actually. He has 6850 beating 7770 and that's true. Also 7970 GE beats 680 there. So it looks very legit.

 

[toyota]

Maybe you are right. I can't find GTX560SE vs. 7770 reviews but that guy keeps updating the list with reviews he finds online. I checked so many cards on that list and they all check out. So I trust that chart actually. He has 6850 beating 7770 and that's true. Also 7970 GE beats 680 there. So it looks very legit.

http://en.expreview.com/2012/03/15/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-se-review/21894.html/5 yeah 560se is just slightly faster.

and with newer drivers, the 7770 is within 5-10% of the 6850 overall.

 

[alexruiz]

HD7770 easily.

The HD7770 was within 10% of the HD6850 / GTX460 1GB using the launch drivers. Using catalyst 12.2 or 12.3 margin was only 5%, and the factory overclocked versions were already ahead. With cat 12.7b it pulls ahead for good. More important, even with the launch drivers, it was already faster in the newer games (BF3)

At the ~$105 price is an easy recommendation.

 

[jacktesterson]

7770 is a better card in my books than the 560 SE. Still recommend a 6850, or a used 6870.

 

[Crap Daddy]

My experience. Bought a 560SE for my second machine. I remember laughing when I heard they will launch this card but it was the best deal from where I am, equivalent of 105 Euro. The cheapest 7770 is around 130. Now, as performance goes it is pretty much the same as a 7770, win some games loose some games at stock. No problem overclocking the card on stock voltage to 830MHz core stable. At 844core/1960mem 3dMark11 graphics score 3462. That's right there with the stock 6850. But it needs two six pin connectors, uses way more power than a 7770. If they are priced the same the 7770 is the obvious choice. Anyway I was surprised by the power of this little card (Palit, 16.8 cm length) and for lower resolution gaming it can provide highest settings in about 90% of the games out there.

 

[RussianSensation]

Ya, when HD7770 cost $140-150, it was poor value. Right now I can't even find a GTX560SE for anywhere near $105 on Newegg. It's more like $130.

 

[toyota]

Ya, when HD7770 cost $140-150, it was poor value. Right now I can't even find a GTX560SE for anywhere near $105 on Newegg. It's more like $130.

yeah the 560se needs to be at least 15-20 bucks cheaper. when I got mine it had a $10 rebate and also came with a ton of software like PS Elements which I sold for 35 bucks. in the end my card will have only cost me about 95 bucks.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

My GTX 560 SE is performing well for me around 40fps in Crysis 1 all on high settings @ 1680x1050 so ... I paid $130 for mine right when they came out and I am not regretting it. Also I think the 560SE has better performance than the 7770 in BF3 but they are competitive with each other and the 560SE is pertty well on par with the 6850 in many games so long as you got the slightly higher clocked 776Mhz EVGA version.

 

[RussianSensation]

I have my doubts that 560Se is on par with a 6850, especially not in Crysis. My GTX470 at 760mhz on the GPU couldn't even beat a stock HD6950 in Crysis 1. Crysis 1/Warhead runs much slower on NV cards. The SE may be fast in some specific NV favoured games, but HD6850 can overclock to HD6870 speeds. Looking at the specs, 560SE is miles apart from a GTX560.

GTX560 ~ HD6850 are 20-30% faster than GTX560SE

EVGA GTX560SE specs:
288 CUDA cores
48 TMUs
24 ROPs
776 mhz Core clock
91.87 GB/sec memory bandwidth (192-bit bus @ 3828 mhz memory)

vs. stock reference GTX560
336 CUDA cores
56 TMUs
32 ROPs
810mhz Core clock
128.256 GB/sec memory bandwidth (256-bit bus @ 4008 mhz memory)

A GTX560SE can't even overclock to stock GTX560 speeds unless you hit 1ghz or something.

HD6850 can overclock to 6870 speeds at which point it'll be 40-50% faster than a 560SE. The 560SE is even slower than GTX460 768mb because the 460 768mb had 56 TMUs. A stock 6850 beats the 460 768mb no problem.

 

[BlockheadBrown]

Earlier this week, I sold a 560 for $114.99 on Ebay. I wanted to sell both cards I owned so that I could afford a better performing card.

My point is that you can find decent price/performance cards between $100 & $130. Yes, you can also get taken advantage of in that range (ie GeForce 560 SE cards). That's why the OP posed the question. If the OP has no chip loyalty issues, go with the best performing card you can get for your dollar.

EDIT: I've decided to sell off my remaining GeForce 560 at Auction on ebay. Starting bid $80. Ends in a week.

 

[Arkadrel]

If you overclock a 7770 it goes above a 6870 in performance, but not by much.

(stock 7770 @1000mhz core, above)

with a 20% overclock (1000-> 1200mhz ) and some memory OCing, you could probably hit 60+ fps (with NO AA) useing a 7770.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Let's not get too enthusiastic here in comparing AMD's 7770 and Nvidia's 560SE and for that matter the 6850.

Since this 3dMark11 is the only benchmark where I can compare these cards and only in graphics score (on the machine I tested I have an E8400), my SE - clocked at 736MHz core - scores 3043, 100 points below the 7770 stock and 80 points below the 460 1GB.

Overclocked on stock voltage to 840MHz core the 560SE scores 3462 which is little above the 7770 black edition (1120 MHz) and 126 points above stock 6850.

You have to understand that the 560SE is (until a Kepler will be launched) a card in competition with the 7770 and not the 6850 while the GTX560 is in competition with the 6870. At the same price the 7770 is the card to get due to lower power consumption and slightly better performance. In my situation it was a no-brainer to go with the NVidia card since the 7770 is 25% more expensive.

 

[RussianSensation]

3dMark11 performance......the most wortheless GPU performance benchmark in existence. The same benchmark where 680 beats the 7970 1080mhz but loses in the real world games.

It's pure mathematics. GTX560SE is a cut-down GTX560. So no, it wont beat an HD6850, especially not overclocked 6850. The SE in the 560 really is a "Special cut down" edition. It's nowhere near as fast as a reference 560 card. Also, no point in getting the 560SE even if it ties the 7770 since it uses more power and has no support for DX11.1 which means it'll run Windows 8 desktop 2D slower.
http://www.techspot.com/news/49508-microsoft-details-windows-8s-improved-graphics-performance.html

There aren't many redeeming qualities for spending $ on a 560SE when HD7770 is $105. When you bought the SE, if HD7770 was $150, that makes sense. But today prices are different and with newer drivers the HD7770 is probably faster than in those early reviews. At the same price, why would anyone buy a higher power consuming card when the performance is neck and neck?

Average power consumption:
HD7770 = 66W
GTX550Ti = 107W
GTX460 768 = 113W
GTX460 1GB = 122W

Your 560 SE is probably using 40-50W more than the 7770 and gives similar performance.

 

[toyota]

I have my doubts that 560Se is on par with a 6850, especially not in Crysis. My GTX470 at 760mhz on the GPU couldn't even beat a stock HD6950 in Crysis 1. Crysis 1/Warhead runs much slower on NV cards. The SE may be fast in some specific NV favoured games, but HD6850 can overclock to HD6870 speeds. Looking at the specs, 560SE is miles apart from a GTX560.

GTX560 ~ HD6850 are 20-30% faster than GTX560SE

EVGA GTX560SE specs:
288 CUDA cores
48 TMUs
24 ROPs
776 mhz Core clock
91.87 GB/sec memory bandwidth (192-bit bus @ 3828 mhz memory)

vs. stock reference GTX560
336 CUDA cores
56 TMUs
32 ROPs
810mhz Core clock
128.256 GB/sec memory bandwidth (256-bit bus @ 4008 mhz memory)

A GTX560SE can't even overclock to stock GTX560 speeds unless you hit 1ghz or something.

HD6850 can overclock to 6870 speeds at which point it'll be 40-50% faster than a 560SE. The 560SE is even slower than GTX460 768mb because the 460 768mb had 56 TMUs. A stock 6850 beats the 460 768mb no problem.

remember that the 7770 is only 5-10% slower than the 6850 and the gtx560se beats the 7770 so yes it is close to the 6850 in most games.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

I have my doubts that 560Se is on par with a 6850, especially not in Crysis. My GTX470 at 760mhz on the GPU couldn't even beat a stock HD6950 in Crysis 1. Crysis 1/Warhead runs much slower on NV cards. The SE may be fast in some specific NV favoured games, but HD6850 can overclock to HD6870 speeds. Looking at the specs, 560SE is miles apart from a GTX560.

GTX560 ~ HD6850 are 20-30% faster than GTX560SE

EVGA GTX560SE specs:
288 CUDA cores
48 TMUs
24 ROPs
776 mhz Core clock
91.87 GB/sec memory bandwidth (192-bit bus @ 3828 mhz memory)

vs. stock reference GTX560
336 CUDA cores
56 TMUs
32 ROPs
810mhz Core clock
128.256 GB/sec memory bandwidth (256-bit bus @ 4008 mhz memory)

A GTX560SE can't even overclock to stock GTX560 speeds unless you hit 1ghz or something.

HD6850 can overclock to 6870 speeds at which point it'll be 40-50% faster than a 560SE. The 560SE is even slower than GTX460 768mb because the 460 768mb had 56 TMUs. A stock 6850 beats the 460 768mb no problem.

Um your off base quite a bit man. First Crysis absolutely loves the 68xx series cards and I said in many games not all where the 560 SE is competitive as in some game favor AMD some nvidia ect. A 560SE is right in between the performance of a 550ti and 560 which is right there with the 6850 sits in terms of performance. 6870 is on par with a 560 non ti card the 6850 is slower than a 6870 mate.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Your 560 SE is probably using 40-50W more than the 7770 and gives similar performance.

That's the bottom line and I've been saying it from the beginning. 6850 is in another price segment. SE is $125, 7770 is $135 and 6850 is $150. Depending on retailer rebates and the markets where they are sold one can become better deal than the other but performance wise the SE and the 7770 are on the same level, in certain games NV pulls ahead in other AMD. 6850 is a better card than both hence the higher price. NV has no card against the 6850, GTX560 is on the level of the 6870.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

remember that the 7770 is only 5-10% slower than the 6850 and the gtx560se beats the 7770 so yes it is close to the 6850 in most games.

This 560 SE is actually creating quite a stir and it's selling very well on Newegg who would have known um me I did LOL. I hope you are enjoying your 560 SE

 

[toyota]

This 560 SE is actually creating quite a stir and it's selling very well on Newegg who would have known um me I did LOL. I hope you are enjoying your 560 SE

its okay but remember I had a gtx570 and gtx670 so its a massive downgrade for me. you just have to pick your settings carefully for demanding games.