7600GT vs X850XT, whos faster?

[imported_red5]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I like my X850XT and it works very well now with all those games you listed. Why not save a few bucks?

Buying any card for "future" games or abilities is retarded.

I agree that you can't really buy for the future, but the 7600GT is significantly faster now and I believe a few bucks is like $5 which is a price I would pay to not be banging my head on the wall with ATI driver problems. I have had major issues with just about every ATI driver, but most of the time Omegas drivers work perfectly since the latest release (and are significantly faster as well). I would imagine on a X850 that Omegas ATI drivers would not be a problem.

 

[imported_red5]

Originally posted by: BlacKJesuS

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
well my 9600XT runs FEAR "fine" as well, but compared to my 6600Gt it looks like crap.

thats a not even a fair comparison....

No it's not... but the 9600 for what's now an old card with only 4 pixel pipelines continues to surprise me as to what it will still run, and run quite well most of the time too!

Originally posted by: MustangSVT

Originally posted by: Xelloss
Well, except I'm not sure that I would say the 7600GT is the lower performing part. Without overclocking that is. That changes the mix considerably.

At stock speeds, I haven't seen any direct comparison benchmarks between the two, but I have seen benchmarks between the 6800GS and the x850xt, and I've seen benchmarks between the 7600GT and the 6800GS. The x850xt and the 6800GS were about on par with each other, and the 7600GT edges out the 6800GS by a comfortable (though not enormous) margin.

Now, if you're overclocking, all bets are off. Because as I hear it, most x850XTs will clock up to x850XT PE speeds pretty easily, and that will beat the 7600GT.

hmmm interesting. so if i have 6800 16/6 o/ced there is no point getting 7600gt for me?

Haha!!!!! Good luck OCing a X850 to near 7600 speeds.... you like the smell of smoke?

I would suggest a 7800GT (or a X1800) for an upgrade The 7800GT is a significant upgrade from a 6800GT, but the 7600GT isn't quite as much, so I don't think it's a good bang for the buck in your situation. If you hold out a little while longer, they should both drop in price.

 

[imported_red5]

Originally posted by: daveymark
I'm getting the x850xt, only because the resolution on my new 20 inch widescreen will be handled easier by the x850xt. I don't think the 7600gt would be able to pump out enough eye candy to support the widescreen 20"

I do think te 7600GT is a significant upgrade, but the X850 is still a fine card and will do whatever you need it to do. Be sure to get Omega drivers on that because they are both significantly faster and much more stable than ATIs, and the latest version has been great with every ATI card I have tried it on.

 

[Azndude2190]

Get the 7600GT.
More features for the newer games.Less power cosumption.Less heat.Plus if you go for eVGA, they have nice warranty plan,customer service,step-up plan,etc.

 

[imported_red5]

Originally posted by: munky
What you must realize about sm3 is that it's only used for pixel shaders that are more complex than what can be efficiently done in ps2 or ps1. In other words, it's used to provide additional eye candy, which places additional load on the graphics card. That's why I said if the card is not fast enough to run modern games at max settings, then sm3 support will not be as useful as in a high end card. If you dont mind playing at 1024x768 then the 7600gt may provide playable fps with full sm3 eye candy, but if you need higher resolutions then sm3 will be of limited use on a midrange card.

But if the card is still faster with the extra load, that says a lot

 

[A554SS1N]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: A554SS1N

Originally posted by: munky
What you must realize about sm3 is that it's only used for pixel shaders that are more complex than what can be efficiently done in ps2 or ps1. In other words, it's used to provide additional eye candy, which places additional load on the graphics card. That's why I said if the card is not fast enough to run modern games at max settings, then sm3 support will not be as useful as in a high end card. If you dont mind playing at 1024x768 then the 7600gt may provide playable fps with full sm3 eye candy, but if you need higher resolutions then sm3 will be of limited use on a midrange card.

What you must realise is that some of us who don't mind missing a few frames in sixty (because we can't see the difference) and could quite easily run at 1280x1024 with a 7600GT right now and enjoy SM3 features and effects!!!

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=13
If 38 fps average is acceptable to you in Chaos Theory, then by all means go ahead and enjoy the sm3 eye candy on a 7600gt at 1280x1024.

I've been enjoying Chaos Theory at 1280x1024 on a 6600GT with SM3 thankyou very much - only thing which I can't turn on is HDR. Only a couple of bad slowdowns in the whole game, but on the whole, it was smooth as. That's why a 7600GT IMHO would be great!!!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: amenx

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: amenx
I think the 128bit vs 256bit mem issue no longer holds much relevance in todays cards, esp vs last gen cards. Remember the FX5900? It was 256bit yet got convincingly trounced by the 6600gt 128 bit which also does better than the 256bit 9800 pro.

the memory width is just half of the bandwidth calculation, mhz is the other. the 6600GT is down about 1/4 in bandwidth to the 9800 pro, but can handle 1/3 more shader ops and has about 1/3 more texel fill rate.

the FX5900 was trounced in shader ops and single texturing fillrate vs the 9800 pro, even though it had about 1/4 more memory bandwidth.

in short, your comparisons aren't really all that even. bus width still matters, and always will. there is a reason 64 bit bus width cards blow.

Of course bus width matters, but the point is that its not a rule that because a card is 256bit, it will always out-perform 128bits. Also throw pipes in the equation. Will a 16pipe, 256bit 6800gt beat a 12pipe 128bit 7600gt? Nope, it wont, there are other technical factors that tip the balance. So its not enough to suggest to someone else to simply go for the 256bit card because of that .

edit: oops, I think the 7600gt is 16 pipes.

you first said it 'no longer holds much relevance,' not that 256 bit wide cards won't always outperform 128 bit wide cards.

and i believe i did illustrate the effects of processing power when comparing the 9800 pro and the 6600gt. i especially did not state that bus width is the only thing that matters, merely that it does matter.

i think you suffer a lack of reading comprehension.

 

[firewolfsm]

The 7600GT does better in FEAR with higher volumetric lighting and it does about the same in every other game. It OCs higher and runs cooler...why would anyone get an X850XT?

 

[Rhezuss]

I upgraded my ASUS EN6800GT to a MSI NX7600GT and the difference is there, not a huge difference but a noticeable one (both cards at stock speeds).

When OC'ed though, the 7600GT is a clear winner (from my tests with 3DMark05 and Oblivion). I OC'ed the 6800GT from 350/1000 to 420/1150 and I hit 5700 at 3Dmark05.

I OC'ed the 7600GT from 560/1400 to 594/1500 and I hit 6300. But in Oblivion I get 7-12 more FPS outdoors and even more indoor.

For me the 7600GT is a clear winner. I paid it 249CAD (around 210USD) compared to 330CAD for the 6800GT (which heatsinks were falling off the card). Plus the 7600GT don't need to be plugged to your PSU, runs quieter and cooler (49-55 celcius).

This is by far one of the best card I purchased in a long time. Best bang for your bucks IMO.

 

[unclebud]

sometimes the motherboard doesn't provide enough power -- saw that with agp cards as well

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

Here is what I know.

I had a 7800GT and during major CS gun fights it would have a lower peaks than my X850XT. The highest and averages were higher with the GT but my playability throughout is better with my XT. Now when I have it OC'd to 560/600 There is NOTHING in that price range that will perform with it. Either I move up to the X1800XT for 339 with 512mb but it runs everything and I mean everything at 1280 X 720 and at least 2X AA and 8X AF it is so hard to justify spending more money when it does everything I want now...and I have all this money burning a hole in my pocket.

Go with the XT

 

[coldpower27]

A single game isn't a great indicator of who's faster....

 

[imported_Airjarhead]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
A single game isn't a great indicator of who's faster....

Well, I can say the EXACT Same thing that blind did for BF2.
When I played BF2 on the 7800GT, it would REALLY slow down in and around smoke or explosions, but the X850XT I have doesn't. As he also said, the highs, and averages were higher on the 7800GT, but it seems more playable on the XT.
I do have to say that I think the 7800GT had BETTER IQ than the ATI. This really surprised me. I haven't had an Nvidia card since the TI-4400. ATI usually better, but in BF2 the 7800GT really looked better.

 

[A554SS1N]

CS, Battlefield - two games that generally play better on ATi?? Still not very representitive of overall performance.

 

[g0dMAn]

There needs to be a review about this cuz I see this comparison all over google, which links to all sorts of forums asking the same thing.

 

[kalrith]

I don't think anyone can say that the x850xt is better than the 7600gt for everyone or vice versa. It depends on which games you are playing, how long it will be before you upgrade, what kind of deal you get on each, etc. Personally, I picked up the x850xt when it was $160 shipped AR, and I am very pleased with my purchase. I upgraded from a 6600GT and obviously notice a huge performance increase. I play Quake 4 at 1600x1200 with full AA, and it only slows down for a split second every couple of hours or so. I don't play any of the really graphics-intensive games right now, so it's definitely sufficient for me. I would have gotten a 7900GT, but I don't really need it, and that would have eaten into my 2405FPW fund.

There's not enough info out there to say that the 7600GT is a better deal at $15 more than what I paid. Also, I'll upgrade this card in less than a year, so I'm not concerned with how much games utilize SM3 in the future. I also had the VF700cu from my 6600GT to slap on the x850xt, so excess heat and the noisy fan are not issues for me.

So, I would say that the 7600GT would be a better choice if you can get it at the same price, don't have an aftermarket cooler, and need it to last for more than a year. I would say that the x850xt is the better choice if you can handle the heat and do not need it to be future-proof. But, then again that's just my opinion. I can't do a side-by-side comparison of the two cards, so I have to go off of what I've read in forums, reviews, etc.

 

[Munky]

Benches of x850xt, 7600gt, and other cards...

 

[dfloyd]

Honestly whether the 7600GT has more features or not is irrelevant, neither card is powerful enough to push the newewst features in most new games very well. May be possible but depends on how Jerky you like your gameplay.

As far as which to get honestly could not say, I dont have a 7600GT to test. I have seen a X850XT though and its a great card. May I ask what your upgrading from?

Edit: Just read what your upgrading from, 6800 GT. Personally I dont think either card above is a significant enough upgrade to justify the purchase from what you currently use. Sure their faster but not worth the extra imo, like some have stated consider a 7900 GT or X1800XT if you can come up with the cash, you will be a heck of alot more satisfied.

 

[A554SS1N]

Excellent, that's a great review munky!!!

 

[g0dMAn]

ya but too bad we can't read it!

 

[Munky]

Well, you know a picture is worth a thousand words...
And then there's always Google translate.

 

[zephyrprime]

nm

 

[Avalon]

I don't have an X850XT, but I do have an eVGA 7600GT CO. If someone wants to benchmark with me, so we can get some direct comparisons, I have the following game available:

HL2
DOD:Source
CS:Source
FEAR
AOEIII
CIV4
Far Cry

and my system is an AMD Opty 144, DFI NF4 Ultra-D, 2x512MB Mushkin UTT. If you have a somewhat similar system but with an X850XT, I can synchronize CPU/mem speeds with you and then we can run some tests to get a direct comparison. Anyone up for it?

 

[Eldarion]

Guys,

I´m about to update my system to:

Athlon 3500+
Asus A8N-SLI
2 GB OCZ Performance DDR 400 Mhz
Western Digital 200 GB SATAII

The real deal is that I want to play X3 - Reunion and Oblivion REASONABLY WELL. That means, that I´d like to be at least close to be able to use most graphic options (although I know that Oblivion kills pretty much any system in max detail level).

As I can´t afford a high-end card like X1900XT or 7900GT, I was thinking of a Sapphire Radeon X850XT or a XFX 7600GT. I´ve seen some split opinions about either going with the X850XT or 7600GT, but would like to ask you for your recommendation based on the system specs above and considering that the objective is to specifically run Oblivion and X3 smoothly.

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Eldarion
Guys,

I´m about to update my system to:

Athlon 3500+
Asus A8N-SLI
2 GB OCZ Performance DDR 400 Mhz
Western Digital 200 GB SATAII

The real deal is that I want to play X3 - Reunion and Oblivion REASONABLY WELL. That means, that I´d like to be at least close to be able to use most graphic options (although I know that Oblivion kills pretty much any system in max detail level).

As I can´t afford a high-end card like X1900XT or 7900GT, I was thinking of a Sapphire Radeon X850XT or a XFX 7600GT. I´ve seen some split opinions about either going with the X850XT or 7600GT, but would like to ask you for your recommendation based on the system specs above and considering that the objective is to specifically run Oblivion and X3 smoothly.

Thanks in advance for your help.

what resolution do you game at?

how smoothly? and how many options?

i have a lesser system than yours with an x850xt and can play Oblivion [without ediiting any files] with all options 'on' [except self-shadows] and most settings 'med/hi' and with 2xAA+Bloom at 11x8.

i know i am perfectly satisfied with the results and Oblivion's fluid gameplay and no slowdowns . . . BTW, after nearly 140 hours into the game, it has moved to the top of my "Best Games- Ever" list [and i am NOT a Fantasy RPGer . . . at least i wasn't]