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75 college students arrested for drug use

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: piasabird
I think this college needs to drug test everyone going there and kick out everyone on drugs. This is what happens in a state where Marijuana use is considered a misdemeanor. Something is either illegal or it is not. I wonder what percentage of the population of the college was on drugs at any given time. Kind of hard to beleive they did not notice a problem before someone died. I guess as long as the college was still making money they did not care.
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Again, as I told IGBT (and he conveniently ignored) your idea is blatantly unconstitutional.

As for this being somehow caused by marijuana being quasi-legal in California, my ass. You're trying to trot out the old 'gateway drug' thing which is a load of crap. As far as what percentage of SDSU was on drugs at any given time it depends on if you count weed or not. If you count weed, probably a huge percentage. (it is a party school after all) Then again if you just count the population as a whole from age 18-22 or so a huge percentage smoke weed.

I'll never understand this knee-jerk reaction to do whatever it takes to eliminate the use of drugs. Not only is it never going to happen, but I'm not even sure of the benefits of such a program. (or why alcohol is conveniently left out of this)
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..the same "unconstitutional" argument was used when police/fire and transportation workers were ordered to undergo testing and the courts rulled against them..over 20 years ago. Testing is now routine. Much cheaper then it used to be and greatly improved the work place. There's no reason not to test students and teachers as well. Over time it will become routine and improve the culture and atmosphere in education and get rid of the drugies.

 
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: piasabird
I think this college needs to drug test everyone going there and kick out everyone on drugs. This is what happens in a state where Marijuana use is considered a misdemeanor. Something is either illegal or it is not. I wonder what percentage of the population of the college was on drugs at any given time. Kind of hard to beleive they did not notice a problem before someone died. I guess as long as the college was still making money they did not care.
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Again, as I told IGBT (and he conveniently ignored) your idea is blatantly unconstitutional.

As for this being somehow caused by marijuana being quasi-legal in California, my ass. You're trying to trot out the old 'gateway drug' thing which is a load of crap. As far as what percentage of SDSU was on drugs at any given time it depends on if you count weed or not. If you count weed, probably a huge percentage. (it is a party school after all) Then again if you just count the population as a whole from age 18-22 or so a huge percentage smoke weed.

I'll never understand this knee-jerk reaction to do whatever it takes to eliminate the use of drugs. Not only is it never going to happen, but I'm not even sure of the benefits of such a program. (or why alcohol is conveniently left out of this)
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..the same "unconstitutional" argument was used when police/fire and transportation workers were ordered to undergo testing and the courts rulled against them..over 20 years ago. Testing is now routine. Much cheaper then it used to be and greatly improved the work place. There's no reason not to test students and teachers as well. Over time it will become routine and improve the culture and atmosphere in education and get rid of the drugies.
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you're.. you're arguing in favor of a police state where all citizens are subject to random search and seizure? :shocked:

I forget which of the founding fathers said "those who give up liberty in exchange for safety deserve neither" but damn if you dont need to go look it up and read the exact quote a few hundred times until it sinks into your head what the atmosphere and culture of this nation was meant to be about, namely FREEDOM FROM OPPRESSION.
 
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: piasabird
I think this college needs to drug test everyone going there and kick out everyone on drugs. This is what happens in a state where Marijuana use is considered a misdemeanor. Something is either illegal or it is not. I wonder what percentage of the population of the college was on drugs at any given time. Kind of hard to beleive they did not notice a problem before someone died. I guess as long as the college was still making money they did not care.
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Again, as I told IGBT (and he conveniently ignored) your idea is blatantly unconstitutional.

As for this being somehow caused by marijuana being quasi-legal in California, my ass. You're trying to trot out the old 'gateway drug' thing which is a load of crap. As far as what percentage of SDSU was on drugs at any given time it depends on if you count weed or not. If you count weed, probably a huge percentage. (it is a party school after all) Then again if you just count the population as a whole from age 18-22 or so a huge percentage smoke weed.

I'll never understand this knee-jerk reaction to do whatever it takes to eliminate the use of drugs. Not only is it never going to happen, but I'm not even sure of the benefits of such a program. (or why alcohol is conveniently left out of this)
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..the same "unconstitutional" argument was used when police/fire and transportation workers were ordered to undergo testing and the courts rulled against them..over 20 years ago. Testing is now routine. Much cheaper then it used to be and greatly improved the work place. There's no reason not to test students and teachers as well. Over time it will become routine and improve the culture and atmosphere in education and get rid of the drugies.
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Looks like someone doesn't know what they are talking about. First of all the 'unconstitutional' argument was used unsuccessfully in the landmark case on this issue which is Skinner v. Railway labor executives. The supreme court held that people in vital/sensitive jobs could be tested as a condition of employment because their jobs dealt with public safety. In addition they have held that companies can drug test as a condition of employment. In effect, those that volunteer for something have a diminished expectation of privacy. (athletes have to submit to physicals, etc.)

Nothing in any of those rulings stated it was permissible to generally test the entire student body without suspicion, which is what you are proposing. Such testing has been repeatedly found unconstitutional in various states.

By the way, are you at all aware of the irony of your signature in relation to your argument? Truly "[The United States] can't be so fixed on the desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans...".
 
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: piasabird
I think this college needs to drug test everyone going there and kick out everyone on drugs. This is what happens in a state where Marijuana use is considered a misdemeanor. Something is either illegal or it is not. I wonder what percentage of the population of the college was on drugs at any given time. Kind of hard to beleive they did not notice a problem before someone died. I guess as long as the college was still making money they did not care.
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Again, as I told IGBT (and he conveniently ignored) your idea is blatantly unconstitutional.

As for this being somehow caused by marijuana being quasi-legal in California, my ass. You're trying to trot out the old 'gateway drug' thing which is a load of crap. As far as what percentage of SDSU was on drugs at any given time it depends on if you count weed or not. If you count weed, probably a huge percentage. (it is a party school after all) Then again if you just count the population as a whole from age 18-22 or so a huge percentage smoke weed.

I'll never understand this knee-jerk reaction to do whatever it takes to eliminate the use of drugs. Not only is it never going to happen, but I'm not even sure of the benefits of such a program. (or why alcohol is conveniently left out of this)
Click to expand...

..the same "unconstitutional" argument was used when police/fire and transportation workers were ordered to undergo testing and the courts rulled against them..over 20 years ago. Testing is now routine. Much cheaper then it used to be and greatly improved the work place. There's no reason not to test students and teachers as well. Over time it will become routine and improve the culture and atmosphere in education and get rid of the drugies.
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Yes, because the war on drugs is working so well. :roll:

How many more billions of taxpayer dollars are you prepared to spend to "get rid of drugies?"

You in favor of banning alcohol, too? You know, because that went so well when we tried that. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
By the way, are you at all aware of the irony of your signature in relation to your argument? Truly "[The United States] can't be so fixed on the desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans...".
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:thumbsup:

Nice catch.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: piasabird
I think this college needs to drug test everyone going there and kick out everyone on drugs. This is what happens in a state where Marijuana use is considered a misdemeanor. Something is either illegal or it is not. I wonder what percentage of the population of the college was on drugs at any given time. Kind of hard to beleive they did not notice a problem before someone died. I guess as long as the college was still making money they did not care.
Click to expand...

Again, as I told IGBT (and he conveniently ignored) your idea is blatantly unconstitutional.

As for this being somehow caused by marijuana being quasi-legal in California, my ass. You're trying to trot out the old 'gateway drug' thing which is a load of crap. As far as what percentage of SDSU was on drugs at any given time it depends on if you count weed or not. If you count weed, probably a huge percentage. (it is a party school after all) Then again if you just count the population as a whole from age 18-22 or so a huge percentage smoke weed.

I'll never understand this knee-jerk reaction to do whatever it takes to eliminate the use of drugs. Not only is it never going to happen, but I'm not even sure of the benefits of such a program. (or why alcohol is conveniently left out of this)
Click to expand...

..the same "unconstitutional" argument was used when police/fire and transportation workers were ordered to undergo testing and the courts rulled against them..over 20 years ago. Testing is now routine. Much cheaper then it used to be and greatly improved the work place. There's no reason not to test students and teachers as well. Over time it will become routine and improve the culture and atmosphere in education and get rid of the drugies.
Click to expand...

Looks like someone doesn't know what they are talking about. First of all the 'unconstitutional' argument was used unsuccessfully in the landmark case on this issue which is Skinner v. Railway labor executives. The supreme court held that people in vital/sensitive jobs could be tested as a condition of employment because their jobs dealt with public safety. In addition they have held that companies can drug test as a condition of employment. In effect, those that volunteer for something have a diminished expectation of privacy. (athletes have to submit to physicals, etc.)

Nothing in any of those rulings stated it was permissible to generally test the entire student body without suspicion, which is what you are proposing. Such testing has been repeatedly found unconstitutional in various states.

By the way, are you at all aware of the irony of your signature in relation to your argument? Truly "[The United States] can't be so fixed on the desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans...".
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.."diminished expectation of privacy" is the camels head in the tent. It can be applied to any and all circumstances public and private.

 
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Looks like someone doesn't know what they are talking about. First of all the 'unconstitutional' argument was used unsuccessfully in the landmark case on this issue which is Skinner v. Railway labor executives. The supreme court held that people in vital/sensitive jobs could be tested as a condition of employment because their jobs dealt with public safety. In addition they have held that companies can drug test as a condition of employment. In effect, those that volunteer for something have a diminished expectation of privacy. (athletes have to submit to physicals, etc.)

Nothing in any of those rulings stated it was permissible to generally test the entire student body without suspicion, which is what you are proposing. Such testing has been repeatedly found unconstitutional in various states.

By the way, are you at all aware of the irony of your signature in relation to your argument? Truly "[The United States] can't be so fixed on the desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans...".
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.."diminished expectation of privacy" is the camels head in the tent. It can be applied to any and all circumstances public and private.
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Your argument makes no sense unless you are attempting to say the 4th amendment means nothing.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: conehead433
"Two kilograms of cocaine were seized, along with 350 Ecstasy pills, marijuana, psychedelic mushrooms, hash oil, methamphetamine, illicit prescription drugs, several guns and at least $60,000 in cash, authorities said."

Sounds like some regular people to me. They're being singled out. Where are the thousands of others who should be co-defendants.
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is no one else reading the actual article, or AT LEAST this post? 😕 The title of the article is "75 students arrested in San Diego State University drug bust" Seems like they're being arrested for dealing drugs, hard ones at that, not for using them..
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Maybe no one cares if they where using or selling to other students to use. I know I don't care.
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Two kids died because of bad drugs from these kids.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: conehead433
"Two kilograms of cocaine were seized, along with 350 Ecstasy pills, marijuana, psychedelic mushrooms, hash oil, methamphetamine, illicit prescription drugs, several guns and at least $60,000 in cash, authorities said."

Sounds like some regular people to me. They're being singled out. Where are the thousands of others who should be co-defendants.
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is no one else reading the actual article, or AT LEAST this post? 😕 The title of the article is "75 students arrested in San Diego State University drug bust" Seems like they're being arrested for dealing drugs, hard ones at that, not for using them..
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Maybe no one cares if they where using or selling to other students to use. I know I don't care.
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Two kids died because of bad drugs from these kids.
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It doesn't say anything about bad drugs, it only mentions the overdose. An overdose is the fault of the person using it.
 
Originally posted by: halik
2kg of coke != experimenting with drugs
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Seriously, i'm all for drug legalization (well cannabis anyways...) but 2 keys of coke if high quality is worth tens of thousands of dollars. Even with 75 different people 'recreational use' just doesn't add up.

EDIT: nvm shoulda read the second page of this thread 😱
 
free the marijuana users/sellers -- that sh*t is practically harmless -- but throw the book at the rest of the scumbags dealing the harder drugs that are killing our children.
 
meh, legalize em all. Let people do what they want with their bodies, it's not like making them illegal stops anyone who wants to do them anyway. The fact that selling cocaine is an offense punishable by massive prison sentences even for small amounts, that the government spends billions of dollars a year fighting dealers, traffickers, etc. The fact that my 9,000 ton warship was sent off the coast of south america for the express purpose of fighting cocaine dealers...

and yet I guarantee you I could have myself an 8 ball in less then an hour if I wanted one.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
meh, legalize em all. Let people do what they want with their bodies, it's not like making them illegal stops anyone who wants to do them anyway. The fact that selling cocaine is an offense punishable by massive prison sentences even for small amounts, that the government spends billions of dollars a year fighting dealers, traffickers, etc. The fact that my 9,000 ton warship was sent off the coast of south america for the express purpose of fighting cocaine dealers...

and yet I guarantee you I could have myself an 8 ball in less then an hour if I wanted one.
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Exactly. It was easier to get dope than alcohol when I was in high school. War on drugs programs are such a colossal failure I feel silly even having to type it out. It's like railing against building houses using asbestos - its about the most obvious conclusion that any reasonable person can come to. Then again, those in the opposition aren't necessarily known for being reasonable.
 
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: halik
2kg of coke != experimenting with drugs
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Divided among a lot of people and considering how cheap it is these days, yes I would say so. It was the guns and illicit prescription drugs that bothered me. Otherwise it sounded like the good old days. Yes I was in college once.
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You think illicit prescription drugs are more dangerous than cocaine?
Prescription drugs are the cleanest drugs in the world. 95% of the cocaine on the street has filler poisons in it.
 
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: halik
2kg of coke != experimenting with drugs
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Divided among a lot of people and considering how cheap it is these days, yes I would say so. It was the guns and illicit prescription drugs that bothered me. Otherwise it sounded like the good old days. Yes I was in college once.
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You think illicit prescription drugs are more dangerous than cocaine?
Prescription drugs are the cleanest drugs in the world. 95% of the cocaine on the street has filler poisons in it.
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If you had your coke manufactured and distributed by merck, pfizer, glaxosmithkline, etc, it would be pretty pure too. Cutting is a direct result of it being underground...
 
I 100% support these sorts of actions, this isn't just some college student smoking a joint at a party, these are hard core drug dealers and their actions resulted in someone DYING. I know drugs are very pervasive at college, but why should we just turn a blind eye to this sort of thing? AT the very least we should try to get the worst offenders and these people fit the bill. They were dealing in tens of thousands of dollars of illegal drugs and money etc.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
free the marijuana users/sellers -- that sh*t is practically harmless -- but throw the book at the rest of the scumbags dealing the harder drugs that are killing our children.
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Gee and I thought you where one of those Guns don't kill people. people do crowd.
 
Fellas, this sounds like a bit more than going to the park and splitting a couple of joints between a half dozen guys once a week, doesn't it? Yes, it does.
 
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: halik
2kg of coke != experimenting with drugs
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Divided among a lot of people and considering how cheap it is these days, yes I would say so. It was the guns and illicit prescription drugs that bothered me. Otherwise it sounded like the good old days. Yes I was in college once.
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You think illicit prescription drugs are more dangerous than cocaine?
Prescription drugs are the cleanest drugs in the world. 95% of the cocaine on the street has filler poisons in it.
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lol no they don't cut cocaine with poison. Asparin, B-12, caffiene pills are common cut. Never heard of anyone going out of their way to put poison into drugs.....dealers want their customers to get high and come back for more...not die.

And absolutely the prescription drugs are more dangerous.....they are 100% pure making them extremely potent and addictive......see the oxycontin epidemic for more convincing.
 
Originally posted by: BrownTown
I 100% support these sorts of actions, this isn't just some college student smoking a joint at a party, these are hard core drug dealers and their actions resulted in someone DYING. I know drugs are very pervasive at college, but why should we just turn a blind eye to this sort of thing? AT the very least we should try to get the worst offenders and these people fit the bill. They were dealing in tens of thousands of dollars of illegal drugs and money etc.
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lets not get it twisted here man....anyone who died from an OD voluntarily ingested the drugs. Nobody was strapped to a chair.

Secondly nobody proved the drugs taken by the OD'd kids came from any of these individuals or groups.

Thirdly....the article doesn't mention alcohol, I want to know how many alcohol related deaths there were in the same time period.
 
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