Oh well as I have told you, God judged homosexuals as sinners and commanded us to do the same.....who are we as lowly mortals to complain? We can't go against God's word...God is greater...and God's word is final. Do you want us to go against God's word?
I don't any easier concept that can be understood...God tells us homosexuals are sinners and tells us to view them as such, we follow what God told us...what don't you get?
I don't understand why you're hatemongering and discriminatory towards homosexuals, even if some book tells you to be.
.I think that she may have a point about the superiority complex thing. Most of the Middle East is infected with vile racism, but I think it's a Middle Eastern thing instead of a Muslim thing.
I also think that you can be gay and Muslim. I'm sure it depends on that person's views. There are many different sects and such. I also think that you can sin and still be a member of that religion otherwise almost everyone in the world wouldn't be a part of a religion. Unless of course you truly have a superiority complex!
I also think that you can be gay and Muslim. I'm sure it depends on that person's views. There are many different sects and such. I also think that you can sin and still be a member of that religion otherwise almost everyone in the world wouldn't be a part of a religion. Unless of course you truly have a superiority complex!
I think maybe he's saying, keep it to yourself because no one else wants to hear it.
You can hate whoever you like, just keep it to yourself, saying people are going to hell for xyz reason the way you did makes you look like a bigot, as well as an idiot.
The above is how I see it at least, and may not be what Rabid had in mind.
actually, son of the virgins promised are adolescent boys... not sure what the jihadist men would want to be doing with them tho
What's disturbing about it? Islam is what it is.
What this thread has done is demonstrate that many posters here come with their own prejudged conclusions and prejudices. They simply don't know what they are talking about yet they insist on 2 + 2 not being 4. A little knowledge on the basics of a major world religion goes a long way.
Homosexuality will never be allowed in Islam and tolerated by Muslims. Never. No matter how many times someone decides to mindlessly repeat otherwise.
This thread has proven to be nothing but a flamebait whether it was the OP's intention or not.
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In an interview with an Italian newspaper, Luxemburg (which is indeed a psuedonym, because straange things often happen to those who might be perceived as not toeing the Islamic party-line) claims that written Arabic did not truly appear for 150 years after the death of Mohammed.
http://www.lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/archive/index.php/t-6134.html
A Muslim cannot be gay. Clearly otulined by God that gays cannot be Muslims, enough said. Yes you can sin, but there are sins that CANNOT be forgiven, one is being a homosexual.
It doesn't have to. :laugh:
Personally, I'm very much pro-gay rights. I'm straight, but I'd go as far as to say that more gay people in our world is a great thing (I think it's god's way of helping us with over population, and yes I believe gay people should be able to adopt)
However, you're so set in your narrow view that you fail to see what he is saying. You can't argue against it.
In a sentence: They believe the author has little to no creditability, AS A MUSLIM, due to the fact that according to the Quran / Islam, SHE IS NOT A MUSLIM. Perhaps if she didn't claim to be a muslim, they wouldn't be saying she has no credibility. (that last sentence is incrediably important)
They are not saying she can't write about Islam, or even make incrediably profound points. Their point is that she lacks credibility.... as in, "well if she's willing to completely ignore this fundemental aspect of Islam, how can I trust she's not simply glossing over this other aspect?"
That is where the Saddam anology comes in. Again, you got caught up in the fact that Saddam is a horrible human being, while this author is probably a fine upstanding citizen. The idea is that why would someone into Human Rights (Islam) listen to reasoning from someone claiming to be a Human Rights Advocate (Muslim) while evidence exists that they are in fact very much Anti-Human Rights (in this case, being gay).
That said, Hitler-like comparisons and analogies never help a discussion... people fail to see their meaning.
I don't know how posting that interview proves anything.
Regardless, take a look HERE for a complete repudiation of Mr. Luxemburg's work. I don't think it would be practicable to post it here.
Throughout the history of Islam, there have been individuals who have attempted to paint the Qur'an as a grand hoax, an enterprise in plagiarism or a deceptive conglomeration of borrowed ideas. "Asaateer-al-Awwaleen", as the pagans of Mecca used to charge the Prophet with.
What they fail to understand is that the Qur'an is a book of guidance. Guidance for all apsects of human life. From a caring, loving and just God.
The Qur'an requires the reader to have an open mind. Furthermore, his inner self has to be clean and pure. Not perverted by the evils of this world. Evils that are considered evils by one and all. Lying, stealing, usurping etc.
Most important of all, one has to want guidance to receive it. One has to have a burning desire to seek out whatever good that there is, learn it, understand it, implement it in his life and preach it to others. This burning desire has to be there! It is a pre-requisite to reading what is considered by Muslims as the Final Revelation and the Final Word of God: the Qur'an.
Any other approach, whether it be for material gain, for acquiring fame, for confusing and misleading those who already believe, for criticizing it just for the sake of it or whatever it may be, is bound to fail.
It requires time, it requires effort, it requires sincere committment. Reading an article here and there and watching a documentary or listening to soundbites on television is not the way.
The resources are there, the scholars are there. The real question is: is the burning desire there?
GreatBarracuda, don't worry about it, your analogies made total sense and you have to be a moron not to understand them.
Indeed it is. What (Christianity) started out as a complete way of life has now been reduced to an exercise in spirituality. Whether you believe in what Christ believed in or not, as long as you are a "good" person, you are saved.
The joys of secularism.
That is exactly what has brought Christianity to where it is today.
Edit: Let me also add, the apparent rigidity of organized religion has only fueled secular dogma. The extreme reluctancy of human kind to depart from a life of material riches has created a severe backlash against religion. This forum has its fair share of these people.
Unfortunately, religion is now only judged by the Crusades or the Inquisition or the Intifada or the modern pestilence of blowing up innocents. No one has the time or the desire to understand religion, Islam or otherwise.
religion is created by man to give purpose in life and to give each of us a sense of meaning. we created it, it is not infallible.
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