zzyzxroad
Diamond Member
Why did republican voters suddenly stop complaining about driving more debt up though?
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$716 billion dollar defense bill passes Congress
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ch33zw1z
Lifer
LOL....
It's an election year. Dems don't want defense to be an issue. You know- soft on terrarists, ebil eye-ray-nyuns, China's big threat in the Spratleys & there's plenty of time to resurrect the N Korean nuclear threat.
Remember the whole "Fuck your feelings" thing? It cuts both ways.
bbhaag
Diamond Member
No I don't but I don't follow politics much. I'm guessing by your response and Ch33zw1z response that it was to much to ask though.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
Because Republicans are no longer fiscal conservatives
IronWing
No Lifer
When Trump starts acting Presidential I'll take your request under consideration. Until then, Diaper Donny works.
ivwshane
Lifer
ivwshane
Lifer
No I don't but I don't follow politics much. I'm guessing by your response and Ch33zw1z response that it was to much to ask though.
Maybe you should start following politics then, before you make such requests because if you did you would realize that all presidents were addressed in such ways in the past.
Trump thanks you for your loyalty though.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
Or you could just admit they like pork
BonzaiDuck
Lifer
In following the history of this, better information could be available by converting nominal dollars to real dollars, discounting for inflation or vice versa. When Bush left office, this was about $$800+ billion. Keep in mind that they added something toward $500 billion for Homeland Security and related items. Obama was able to bang down the first number to around $600+.
David Stockman, Reagan's young budget director and conscientious objector, noted that the so-called end of the Cold War did not evoke any disarmament -- or therefore a reduction in defense spending. Toward end of Clinton's term or at beginning of Bush's, it was something around $300+ billion.
Of course, the Cold War never really ended. Every conflict since beginning of Commonwealth of Independent States had been a Cold War hot-spot or region. For instance, Bosnia is within a region including Greece, where the US had defeated a communist insurgency without inserting troops. Iran had history of the Mossadegh coup, the hostages and drifting toward Russia. Iraq's Saddam had been a CIA asset which apparently drifted away from their control. Afghanistan -- well, the Russians themselves made a version in the "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket" genre. Then there's that criminal regime that was probably tutored more than a century ago by Japanese militarism or fascism. the subject of Halberstam's "The Coldest Winter."
We got some winks from Boris Yeltsin, but the Russians never got anything but "free-market promoters" -- Republicans -- who gave lectures. Nothing at all like a Marshall Plan. Blame Bush? Or blame Clinton? Clinton had his Willie in a vise. That whole decade was a distraction of nonsense.
Never trust a Republican to lecture anyone about rich men and free markets. Why do you think the Russians descended into an oligarchic kleptocracy?
Reducing the risk of war and reducing the cost of arms and arms races would take a tremendous burden from human shoulders.
The space-alien Trumpies want to throw money at weapons systems. They think that by controlling costs and choosing conflicts more carefully, we're not practicing readiness. They have a totally tribal view of the world, as if the collective tendencies too long in history cannot be themselves controlled, so let's be tribal, destructive, and wasteful. With peace through superior fire power, you also have a self-defeating cost factor in arms races. And arms races often lead to the use of arms.
David Stockman, Reagan's young budget director and conscientious objector, noted that the so-called end of the Cold War did not evoke any disarmament -- or therefore a reduction in defense spending. Toward end of Clinton's term or at beginning of Bush's, it was something around $300+ billion.
Of course, the Cold War never really ended. Every conflict since beginning of Commonwealth of Independent States had been a Cold War hot-spot or region. For instance, Bosnia is within a region including Greece, where the US had defeated a communist insurgency without inserting troops. Iran had history of the Mossadegh coup, the hostages and drifting toward Russia. Iraq's Saddam had been a CIA asset which apparently drifted away from their control. Afghanistan -- well, the Russians themselves made a version in the "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket" genre. Then there's that criminal regime that was probably tutored more than a century ago by Japanese militarism or fascism. the subject of Halberstam's "The Coldest Winter."
We got some winks from Boris Yeltsin, but the Russians never got anything but "free-market promoters" -- Republicans -- who gave lectures. Nothing at all like a Marshall Plan. Blame Bush? Or blame Clinton? Clinton had his Willie in a vise. That whole decade was a distraction of nonsense.
Never trust a Republican to lecture anyone about rich men and free markets. Why do you think the Russians descended into an oligarchic kleptocracy?
Reducing the risk of war and reducing the cost of arms and arms races would take a tremendous burden from human shoulders.
The space-alien Trumpies want to throw money at weapons systems. They think that by controlling costs and choosing conflicts more carefully, we're not practicing readiness. They have a totally tribal view of the world, as if the collective tendencies too long in history cannot be themselves controlled, so let's be tribal, destructive, and wasteful. With peace through superior fire power, you also have a self-defeating cost factor in arms races. And arms races often lead to the use of arms.
Jaskalas
Lifer
When were they ever?
- Not Reagan.
- Not Bush.
- Not Trump.
ivwshane
Lifer
You shouldn't trust Republicans if you care about government.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
At the federal level, no, but you will find them at the state and city level. Michael Bloomberg, Mitt Romney and Charlie Baker come to mind as continuing the legacy of Eisenhower.
BonzaiDuck
Lifer
"You get bad government from ideologues who believe that government is bad."
ivwshane
Lifer
I'm continually baffled why people vote for politicians who think government is bad. In any other facet in life would you hire someone who hates the very thing they are supposed to work for. Do you hate kids? Yes? Great! You should be my babysitter.
Do you hate company X? Yes? Fantastic! You shall be our new CEO.
Vic
Elite Member
Because they're feeding at the trough.
Puffnstuff
Lifer
You mean like how R's called President Obama plain old Obama?
mikeymikec
Lifer
Do you think Trump acts in a way that deserves respect?
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