71% of New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque

[OCGuy]

Damn those back water toothless inbred knuckle-dragging racist red-state confederate flag-waiving nationalistic Alabam....oh, New York? Carry on.

 

[sandorski]

So the argument now is that Bigotry is the Majority Opinion? Bigotry in numbers is still Bigotry.

 

[thraashman]

It's bigotry and we all know it. And it's bigotry because people are trying to lump a religion of 1.5 billion people together as being the same as 14 individuals who committed an atrocious act. By that same argument all people of Japanese decent are responsible for the rape of Nanking. All people of German decent are responsible for the holocaust. All Americans should pay slave reparations to black people. You realize that those 3 examples I just provided COMBINED are still fewer people than the whole of Islam. And far more people were involved in the atrocities committed by the ones responsible for the acts. So seriously, quit being such a fucking pigheaded bigot!

 

[LunarRay]

It makes no difference how many people are for or against the mosque in NYC. Only unAmerican assholes who have no understanding of principle, justice, fair play, religious freedom, the meaning of and purpose of the Constitution of the greatest nation on earth because of the greatness of that Constitution, oppose building a mosque there. If you are for the mosque you are a real American, if you are against it you are a stupid asshole. It's real real simple, black and white, cut and dried. If you are against the mosque move to some worthless country full of worthless shit just like you.

Dam! Were on Earth can I find such a country?

The whole reason the Port Authority privatized the WTC was to get it ON the tax rolls... and now you want putting a tax exempt thing there... Where is your sense of financial justice? Do you realize the value of that property? The taxes from one year alone could feed all the residents of Bangladesh for ten....

 

[Infohawk]

So the argument now is that Bigotry is the Majority Opinion?

Yes, apparently that's the argument your making. Was this intended to be posted in some sort of left-wing circle jerk chat room?

 

[Infohawk]

It's bigotry and we all know it. And it's bigotry because people are trying to lump a religion of 1.5 billion people together as being the same as 14 individuals who committed an atrocious act. By that same argument all people of Japanese decent are responsible for the rape of Nanking. All people of German decent are responsible for the holocaust. All Americans should pay slave reparations to black people. You realize that those 3 examples I just provided COMBINED are still fewer people than the whole of Islam. And far more people were involved in the atrocities committed by the ones responsible for the acts. So seriously, quit being such a fucking pigheaded bigot!

So I take it you wouldn't consider insensitive for Japanese to open up a Japanese military musuem in Nanking? Or for Germans to open a German cultural center next to the Holocaust musuem in DC?

 

[sandorski]

Yes, apparently that's the argument your making. Was this intended to be posted in some sort of left-wing circle jerk chat room?

I dunno, did you type it into the wrong box?

 

[Throckmorton]

At one point you could get similar poll results regarding synagogues

 

[Infohawk]

At one point you could get similar poll results regarding synagogues

Not analogous. This poll isn't about mosques in general, it's about one specific mosque.

 

[Throckmorton]

So I take it you wouldn't consider insensitive for Japanese to open up a Japanese military musuem in Nanking? Or for Germans to open a German cultural center next to the Holocaust musuem in DC?

The correct analogies would be a Shinto temple in Nanking or a German Catholic church 2 blocks from the Holocaust Museum

 

[LunarRay]

The correct analogies would be a Shinto temple in Nanking or a German Catholic church 2 blocks from the Holocaust Museum

Well... I'd think the more analogous would be to have that German Church on the grounds of Auschwitz...

 

[Infohawk]

The correct analogies would be a Shinto temple in Nanking or a German Catholic church 2 blocks from the Holocaust Museum

Absolutely not. Were the people who perpetrated Nanking doing so in the name of Shintoism? Or were they doing it under a Japanese flag? Did the people who put jews in gas chambers do so in the name of Catholocism or in the name of Nazism? Did the people who did 9/11 do so in the name of Islam, or the name of Saudi Arabia? Or hope you're honest enough to find the answers.

 

[thraashman]

So I take it you wouldn't consider insensitive for Japanese to open up a Japanese military musuem in Nanking? Or for Germans to open a German cultural center next to the Holocaust musuem in DC?

Seeing as how China is a much more restrictive place than the US, I doubt that would ever happen seeing as Nanking is in China.

As far as the other option, if there was a large German population in the area that would have reason to visit. Or if there was an interest in the area that would make it worth putting there, I'd see no problem.

The biggest problem with that argument is that while a Japanese military museum or a German cultural center would likely be a one or two location within an entire country thing, things like churches and mosques are places of worship. There are dozens of churches I'm sure in the area. Do we not let the Catholic church have locations near elementary schools or playgrounds because it's insensitive?

It's not insensitive for them to build it there. You know why, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T BLOW UP THE BUILDING, FUND THE TERRORISTS, OR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!

 

[LunarRay]

Absolutely not. Were the people who perpetrated Nanking doing so in the name of Shintoism? Or were they doing it under a Japanese flag? Did the people who put jews in gas chambers do so in the name of Catholocism or in the name of Nazism? Did the people who did 9/11 do so in the name of Islam, or the name of Saudi Arabia? Or hope you're honest enough to find the answers.

So... that might mean that IF anything was to be permitted other than office buildings it ought to be a Court House.

 

[Infohawk]

Seeing as how China is a much more restrictive place than the US, I doubt that would ever happen seeing as Nanking is in China.

As far as the other option, if there was a large German population in the area that would have reason to visit. Or if there was an interest in the area that would make it worth putting there, I'd see no problem.

The biggest problem with that argument is that while a Japanese military museum or a German cultural center would likely be a one or two location within an entire country thing, things like churches and mosques are places of worship. There are dozens of churches I'm sure in the area.

Stop dodging the questions. It's obviously a hypothetical. China would never allow it but the question is, would you consider it insensitive? Yes or no? Would it be insensitive to have a German cultural center next to the Holocaust Museum? Would it be insensitive to have an American science musuem right next to Ground Zero in Hiroshima?

 

[Throckmorton]

Absolutely not. Were the people who perpetrated Nanking doing so in the name of Shintoism? Or were they doing it under a Japanese flag? Did the people who put jews in gas chambers do so in the name of Catholocism or in the name of Nazism? Did the people who did 9/11 do so in the name of Islam, or the name of Saudi Arabia? Or hope you're honest enough to find the answers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arahitogami

Arahitogami (現人神?) is a Japanese word meaning a kami (deity) who is a human being. It first appears in Kojiki (c. 680), but is assumed to have been used before this book.

The best-known usage of this word would be in Japan before the end of the Second World War in 1945. State Shinto (Kokka Shint&#333 applied this word to the Emperor and required the Japanese people to obey absolutely and have loyalty to the Emperor as a kami.

I posted this one in another thread but you must have forgotten
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views

In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture, and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ. In a proclamation to the German Nation February 1, 1933 Hitler stated, "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."[7]

 

[Infohawk]

So... that might mean that IF anything was to be permitted other than office buildings it ought to be a Court House.

Anything's permitted within zoning law. It's a free country. Whether it's tacky or not is a different matter.

 

[Infohawk]

So the answers to my questions are that yes you think Nanking was done in the name of Shintoism and that the Holocaust was done in the name of Catholocism. You're wrong on these points but it's not something I'm interested in discussing at this time.

 

[Throckmorton]

There's another thing you're missing Infohawk. We're TRYING to convince the millions of ordinary Muslims in the world that we aren't at war with them. Why the hell do you thinK George Bush kept saying that we aren't at war with Islam and Muslims aren't our enemies?
Thousands of our troops are fighting with them and for them to save their civilizations right now. It makes absolutely no sense from a foreign relations perspective to reinforce Al Qaeda's message of jihad by openly opposing moderates building a mosque 2 blocks from ground zero.

This is just another example of Jane Fondaism run amuck.