700 cb0 @ 933 .... NEVER!!!!

Ive done it all to try and get this baby pumping at 933.
Its just a straight no go.
This was a "guaranteed" cpu @ 933 by compuwiz1, but its not doing that for me.
Ive stripped it down to onboard sound and thats it, and its not posting with the FSB jumpers removed to hit 133 FSB.
The one any only thing I havnt gotten upgraded is the HDD, but the boot never gets that far, lock at FDD init, or video init.
I dunno, should I check out the markings and see if its a imfamous malay wk20?
Or should I wait for Compuwiz1 to magically reappear from his move and hook me up?
(#$(*#*(#@(*#@(*
This has just been a headache, 840, even 700 is fast, but I want 933 #(%*&@#(*&$#@
arrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Stallion]

You might want to wait for compuwiz to show up. I also got a 700E from him and mine I chugging right along at 933 with default voltage.

If you have a 1/4 133FSB for your PCI slots your HDD should be fine. I ran at 120 1/3 PCI ,which is 40mhz, which is a little to high but my HDD didn't seem to mind.

What kind of cooler do you have? I take it you have some good ram? Do you have a BX board?

 

Yea,
Got 138mb of mushkin rev2, geforce256 srd 32mb, maxtor 7200rpm 10.1gb hdd,
Only thing on PCI is a ghetto ass modem, that is completely controlled by MMX on the chip, so that doenst have much effect.
Just cant get the sucker up to 933 with it stripped down.
Id like to find someone with a comperable MB so I can test out this chip.
But after many attempts its a no go.
And I need this chip to run while i wait for compuwiz.
So if anyone has any contact info, it would be greatly appreciated if it was passed along to me.
*sigh* why me?

 

[Mikewarrior2]

if compuwiz says its guaranteed at 933, then its probably 99.9999% likely that it'll work at 933. CompuWiz has not made his business on screwing customers over.

have you tried dropping the ram speed to 100? use hte i815's fSb of 133/ram at 100/pci at 33? Have you tried it on a different mb? Post freeze's can come from bad ram.

The week22 700E's are the sorta bad ones.. week20 isn't a bad week.


Mike

 

[Stallion]

So you have onboard sound? Do you also have a sound card. Compuwiz told me that SB lives need the latest drivers to work with coppermines

 

[Dug]

What motherboard do you have?
What OS are you running?
Have you upgraded anything else with that cpu? (like a motherboard)

 

[they call mr big]

can't be sound card as te computer not booting. does it boot at default speed, i gather it does. what motherboard are you usng and have you got the agp/pci speeds right?? maybe you need a bit more voltage

 

I dont doubt compuwiz's honestly in the least. I have full confidence in his business deals.
Just wanna get the chip smokin.
This is what I put in.
MSI 815e PRO
p3 700 cb0
128mb Mushkin rev.2
No audio besides onboard, which is disabled when clocking.
Ghetto pci 56k modem.
Maxtor 10.1gb 7200 rpm drive, approx. 3 years old.
Geforce256 32mb srd agp.
50x cdrom and 4x4x12 burner.
All Snug as a bug in a Anetc 1030 x/300w ps with 4 intake and exhaust fans,
UltimateHDD cooler, Alpha pal6035 with sunon fan and silver paste,
And a slot fan under the Geforce.

It fine at 700, with full onboard support.
I can get it stable at 840mhz, fsb at 120mhz and voltage at 1.70-.75
Running prime95 for 15 hours didnt phase it.
On board sound does not work at any overclocked speed.
Not too stable at 875mhz.
The AGP and PCI do go out of spec, and the 815 has the dividers if I hit the 133fsb.


But when I pull the jumpers to have the fbs default at 133, it wont post. Wont even initalize video.
So I stripped it down to just video nothing else. Wont post.
And the MSI boards have thoes neeto little LEDs, gets stuck at initalizing FDC, or init the video and BIOS.
I tried pumping 1.8v through it and it works up to 840mhz.
If I put 1.85v through it, it wont even post at any speed I believe.
I think that has to do with the MSI in particular, limiting the voltage increase to 10%, Ive heard about soldering somthing on the board to make the default voltage at 1.85. But I dunno about that yet.

Ive stripped it down to just video (agp) and it wont post at 133mhz.
So I pulled everything and used onboard video, same deal no post.
I would imagine the chip was tested, but im not sure about the board.
Having a hard time finding someone who has a board I can test it out on.
I might spring for a BE6-II ( or is it BH6, im not sure), but I already threw down for this brand new board.

 

[Eug]

Anyways, if I were you, I'd remove ALL of your boards and activate the onboard video, clear your CMOS settings (jumper on board) and then boot at 700. Then go into your BIOS settings and set your CPU at 133 with AGP at 66. Set your memory to 100 MHz CAS 3 (NOT Cas 2), set the voltage to 1.8 and reboot to see if that helps any.

What does that SW1 overclocking jumper do on that board? Do you have the latest BIOS? (Officially it supports only to 866 but that should be irrelevant.)

Personally, I'd be very afraid of running at 120 FSB since your PCI is probably running 40 MHz - bad for your drive. If it's 30 MHz, it might be OK though.

 

I have the latest BIOS v1.2.
I cant set the CPU at 133MHZ thats what the sw1 jumpers are for.
There is a system memory setting, but it does nothing.
The only time anything will change in speed on the system is if I change the FSB setting. Then the cpu speed and the memory and the pci and agp change.

The only way to get it up to 133fsb is if i pull the two jumpers. to make the FSB settings 133->166.

I have pulled it down to the onboard video, flashed BIOS at 700mhz and then bumped the voltage.
No difference.

 

Bump for a chump

 

Ok, Just flashed the BIOS (currently v1.2 on MSI 815pro).
Then went in with all defaults, set the voltage to 1.8 (which should b e 1.65 =\ ). Shut down, pulled the jumpers boot up , locks at initing the FDC, or so the LEDS say.

Does anyone have a board for sale like a be6-ii, basically a FCPGA board that is not the cusl2 or the MSI 815. ?

 

[Mikewarrior2]

what's wrong with the cusl2?



Mike

 

Well I know its a nice board.
But ive heard the MSI is a better choice.
And im not haveing such a good time with the 815 chipset.
As well as the fact that Im not sure i can throw down another 130 for a new board. And find out that it was just the chip or something else.
But im considering it.
I was asking about another board, becasue I wanted to see if someone had a board that they knew they overclocked a comperable chip on it.
But if I can find a good deal on a cusl2 I may splurge on it.
Worst can happen is that I get 2 working boards and one bad chip.
Or just my current MSI is toast and I have to wait for compuwiz to settle himself in.
Any suggestions on a good deal on a cusl2?
Thanks

 

[BlueScreenVW]

Have you tried running the memory at 3-3-3 on the 133 MHz setting? The MSI can be a little picky with CAS 2, I hear...

 

[Aboroth]

I use the Mushkin Rev. 2 RAM on my CUSL2 with the i815e chipset and it freezes after displaying the message about detecting plug n' play devices if I set it to 2-2-2 5t/7t for the RAM timings. If I set the RAM timings to 2-2-2 7t/9t it works fine. Try that.
I am not sure if MSI has that setting available in their BIOS as I have never used it, but it is worth a shot.

If that works please email Mushkin about this as they don't seem to believe me.

Edit-
Oops, forgot to say I was running 133MHz bus.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

the cusl2 is very, very tough on ram. I don't know about the MSI being a better choice, rather a comparable choice.

My crucial 7E will only do 5/7 timings up to 138 fsb. AFter that I have to go 7/9.



Mike

 

Well when i flashed it the default is: 3.3.3 6/8,
When I change the memory frequency it doesnt make a differece really.
Only time memory posts is if I raise FSB.
Ill try the memory frequency on 3.3.3 6/8 and 5/7, seeing 6/8 and 5/7 are my only choices.
Does any one know what spread spectrum is.
And should i make a change to my Vio ?
mabey 3.3 or greater?
Im thinking a CUSL2 soon.
Hope my ram works with this board, paid enough for it =D

 

[nino]

Hey SammySon,
I've got the same setup. PIII700@933 but the problem is more than likely the motherboard. Check out my post on the motherboard section of the forums. You'll learn about the problems that I had trying to get a perfectly fine c566@850 to run on the MSI 6337 board. It forced me to wire the CPU-ID pins to get the 1.65 volts. If I didn't do the hardwire then I'd run into the same boot problems as you. I sent my problems to MSI and they are aware of them and are going to work on them. To overclock at 133 FSB you NEED to adjust the SW1 jumper otherwise your bus speeds will be way out of spec. You can only get the 33Mhz PCI and 66 Mhz AGP if you set SW1. The problem here is that you need enough voltage to the CPU to boot up and there is something goofy with that on this MSI board which is why I had to hardwire. What I recommend is that you try the following,
1) set it to the 100Mhz FSB and increase the voltage to 1.75 (The MSI board has a -0.05 volt offset from your setting in the bios, meaning 1.75 will give you 1.7V actually). Reboot the system and shut it down. Then set SW1 to the overclocked setting. I didn't have ANY luck doing this with my Celerons but I've heard that some people have.
2) If (1) doesn't work then download bios version 1.0 and see if step (1) makes a difference.

Here's the deal. Bios 1.0 works for some and 1.2 for others. I can't adjust voltages unless I have 1.2 but others can't adjust unless they use 1.0. The key is to verify that the voltage has actually changed by checking the PC Health option after reboot. Also, don't save by using F10 shortcut. I've found that the most reliable way to save the settings is to use the "save to bios" menu option. If I F10'ed out of the BIOS it wouldn't save settings. MSI knows about these problems and I'm anxiously waiting for version 1.3. I bet that you'd have no problems sticking the 700 into another board and get it to 933. I also wouldn't ditch the MSI board. Once I've gotten over the hurdles, I like it. Really stable but they have some SERIOUS work to do on their BIOS.
email me if you have anymore questions nino@purdue.edu

 

I think ill try BIOS v1.0 some more.
Ive had no luck with 1.2.
And i was having BIOS saving issues before i flahed it and found out the MSI jumpers are listed upsidedown in the manual for the BIOS save jumper.
I dont really want to hardwire my board for 1.85 default voltage, its 933@1.65v tested. I dont like the board that much to pump that much voltage through.
After a few more tries I think im going to give up on this board and move to a CUBX or a CUSL2.
How much work is involved in hardwiring the CPU, and the consequences of messing it up?
Going to fedex today to get the HDD i missed in the mail today.
I noticed the voltages flucuate alot in the BIOS readings and on my temp monitor.
And the cpu runs seemingly hot, like 38c@idle @700mhz.
And my alpha is flush with the CPU.

 

[frustrated2]

Sammy Son I would bet that you either have a memory issue or a bad mobo. I have a friend that has tried almost every kind of top rate memory there is and he has come up with a winner on the p3 system crucial's 133 cas2 memory is what he uses and he has his 700 running at 1050 rock stable. I am not at all familiar with that mobo and would almost bet that compuwiz uses either an asus cus l2 or an abit se6 as these seem to be the best overclocking mobo's there are with the 815 chipset. Another thing that could cause the trouble is perhaps the powersupply is not delivering enough clean current to the processor. Compuwiz probably will only guarantee 933 or above on the same brand board that they test them on