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70~ dead in pipeline explosion

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Greenman said:
Obviously the guy having a smoke didn't have a solid grasp of the danger involved.

Would a few gallons of gas really make a difference in their lives? A big enough difference that it's worth risking the most horrible death possible?
I had no idea things had become so grim in Mexico.
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That is why I wondered if it was an education problem, more than a "I'm willing to risk my life for $50 of gasoline." I'd think that most people that were poor enough to be willing to knowingly take that risk, probably wouldn't have much use for the gasoline.
 
Zorba said:
That is why I wondered if it was an education problem, more than a "I'm willing to risk my life for $50 of gasoline." I'd think that most people that were poor enough to be willing to knowingly take that risk, probably wouldn't have much use for the gasoline.
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It seems like anyone that knows what gas is used for would have a grasp of the danger involved.
It's odd to us because we see it as a few bucks worth of fuel. We think it's expensive, but not expensive enough to keep us from buying a five thousand pound car. If it made the difference between our kids eating next week or not, suddenly the risk isn't so insane. A pretty fucking grim position to be in.
 
Greenman said:
It seems like anyone that knows what gas is used for would have a grasp of the danger involved.
It's odd to us because we see it as a few bucks worth of fuel. We think it's expensive, but not expensive enough to keep us from buying a five thousand pound car. If it made the difference between our kids eating next week or not, suddenly the risk isn't so insane. A pretty fucking grim position to be in.
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Yes but this is Mexico, not Venezuela. There is a somewhat stable economy. Siphoning off of pipelines is not a reasonable conclusion.
 
Greenman said:
It seems like anyone that knows what gas is used for would have a grasp of the danger involved.
It's odd to us because we see it as a few bucks worth of fuel. We think it's expensive, but not expensive enough to keep us from buying a five thousand pound car. If it made the difference between our kids eating next week or not, suddenly the risk isn't so insane. A pretty fucking grim position to be in.
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I agree. But there is a difference in knowing that gasoline is flammable and knowing that atomized spraying gasoline is highly explosive. I think it is easy for us, well educated people in a first world country, to think everyone understands when that may not actually be true.

Either way, though, it is extreme poverty that leads to both poor education and desperation.

You could look at something like say fall protection at work as an example of education. Everyone knows how gravity works, yet tons of people in the US will work in a fall hazard zone with no fall protection. Take those same people and train them on the equipment and need for it and most will become unwilling to continue doing the risky work without the protection.
 
Greenman said:
Obviously the guy having a smoke didn't have a solid grasp of the danger involved.

Would a few gallons of gas really make a difference in their lives? A big enough difference that it's worth risking the most horrible death possible?
I had no idea things had become so grim in Mexico.
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Maybe you should start paying some attention to the big, wide, world around you.
 
Victorian Gray said:
Maybe you should start paying some attention to the big, wide, world around you.
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Maybe I should. But then again I have no effect on issues happening many thousands of miles away, and like every single other person here, I won't take any action on the issues I read about.
Spouting off about a problem on a forum is a fine thing, but at the end of the day we're all just keyboard warriors that won't actually do something.
Chatter is free, and worth exactly what it costs us. Occasionally, we open our wallets and toss out a few coins so we can pretend we're supporting the cause, but that's not widows mite, it's a gesture.
 
Greenman said:
Obviously the guy having a smoke didn't have a solid grasp of the danger involved.

Would a few gallons of gas really make a difference in their lives? A big enough difference that it's worth risking the most horrible death possible?
I had no idea things had become so grim in Mexico.
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I think that pipeline had been spilling for awhile. As time goes on and people see other people taking lots without anything happening they start to thinks that the risk is a lot less than it is.
 
WelshBloke said:
I think that pipeline had been spilling for awhile. As time goes on and people see other people taking lots without anything happening they start to thinks that the risk is a lot less than it is.
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Could be. Heard mentality is a powerful thing.
But it seems like whoever owns that pipeline would shut it off rather than have tens of thousands of dollars worth of fuel spray out on the ground, or risk a massive explosion.
 
Greenman said:
Could be. Heard mentality is a powerful thing.
But it seems like whoever owns that pipeline would shut it off rather than have tens of thousands of dollars worth of fuel spray out on the ground, or risk a massive explosion.
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Theres massive problems with organised crime and the tapping of fuel lines in Mexico, up to the point that automated cutoffs arent put in at the request of the cartels.

But fuel lines being shut down due to damage is one of the things thats led to the regional shortages thats encouraging this behaviour!
 
Greenman said:
Could be. Heard mentality is a powerful thing.
But it seems like whoever owns that pipeline would shut it off rather than have tens of thousands of dollars worth of fuel spray out on the ground, or risk a massive explosion.
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It's a long pipeline that's likely higher in other places along the route so the gas will spray out under the pressure of gravity alone until it drains to the level of the break or gets patched.

In the US, pipelines like this are buried underground for safety reasons.
 
Greenman said:
Maybe I should. But then again I have no effect on issues happening many thousands of miles away, and like every single other person here, I won't take any action on the issues I read about.
Spouting off about a problem on a forum is a fine thing, but at the end of the day we're all just keyboard warriors that won't actually do something.
Chatter is free, and worth exactly what it costs us. Occasionally, we open our wallets and toss out a few coins so we can pretend we're supporting the cause, but that's not widows mite, it's a gesture.
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This isn't about online "chatter" it's about maintaining an educated/informed understanding of the world around you. Apparently you can't be bothered.

Given how readily available that information is it's an attitude that I don't get.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
This is fucking thievery, jesus christ man, quit the sympathy bull shit and come back to reality. A CRIME was being committed. While the crime was actively occurring, karma decided to show up.

This is an active problem that is causing tons of issues with the Mexicans that aren't criminals having difficulty filling up.
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Is burning someone alive until dead in any way, shape or form a justifiable penalty for simple theft?

Yes or no?
 
Horrible, those poor people. Maybe some of the their armed vigilante militia types should start guarding pipelines.
 
Jaskalas said:
OTOH, it can demonstrate that Americans have no idea the sort of poverty it takes to drive people to take these risks.
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Because Americans have been brainwashed that not having the latest i-phone, video game, flatscreen tv, etc. is poverty, maybe they need to watch more videos like this to see how the rest of the world lives especially the ones that produce much of their cheap goods they take for granted under conditions they would never work under.
 
Greenman said:
Obviously the guy having a smoke didn't have a solid grasp of the danger involved.

Would a few gallons of gas really make a difference in their lives? A big enough difference that it's worth risking the most horrible death possible?
I had no idea things had become so grim in Mexico.
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Mexico's new motto: At least we're not Guatemala, Honduras or El Salvador.
 
Isn't it funny how theft of private property by the poor riles people up, but theft of public lands, resources and funds by the rich doesn't get the same reaction?
 
Thebobo said:
Jesus that video is showing people burning to death. Should post a warning And all that wailing and moaning and screaming thats horrible.
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I guess I'm desensitized to death by this point. I don't find anything shocking any more. Though this is never the less an absolutely horrible fate for the people affected.
 
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