7 Year Old Boy Arrested At School For Nerf Gun

[preslove]

The subject is the NEA and prevalent educational policies...please do try to keep it real.

That's not the subject of this thread, you fucking loon.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That's not the subject of this thread, you fucking loon.

Wow...a little slow today? I was talking about the subject of zero tolerance and those responsible for developing and propagating this particular policy in our schools. Let me help spell it out for you...I'm saying the NEA and progressives are clearly responsible and that your comment that "There is no reason to believe that any of these people in authority were "liberals." is pure bullshit. All I asked of you was to keep it real. Capeesh?

 

[trenchfoot]

Brings new meaning to CYA, which is what zero tolerance policies are meant to do.

I'm not saying the school admin over-reacted to the toy's presence, but I'm sure they "over-reacted" to the possibility of getting sued by an incensed parent of a child who was "shot" and/or terrorized by that "weapon".

There are those parents out there who smell an opportunity to make a quick buck or two off of the "government" by exploiting these kinds of incidents.

 

[preslove]

I'm saying the NEA and progressives are clearly responsible and that your comment that "There is no reason to believe that any of these people in authority were "liberals." is pure bullshit. All I asked of you was to keep it real. Capeesh?

I wasn't replying to your stupid post, you moran. But no, it is not the case that "the NEA and progressives are clearly responsible" for a city's zero ordinance policy. That's actually a republican area of NJ.

Howabout you keep your head out of your ass? Capeesh?

 

[Exterous]

First off - does anyone have a link/pictures of the nerf gun he actually brought to the school?

I'm not saying the school admin over-reacted to the toy's presence, but I'm sure they "over-reacted" to the possibility of getting sued by an incensed parent of a child who was "shot" and/or terrorized by that "weapon".

There are those parents out there who smell an opportunity to make a quick buck or two off of the "government" by exploiting these kinds of incidents.

Don't forget - we must think of the children.

Quote from parent interviewed:

I would rather they go a little too far for the safety of the children

These are the people voting the school policy creators into power

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I wasn't replying to your stupid post, you moran. But no, it is not the case that "the NEA and progressives are clearly responsible" for a city's zero ordinance policy. That's actually a republican area of NJ.

Howabout you keep your head out of your ass? Capeesh?

Hmmm...so the subject of this thread is the "city's zero ordinance policy" and had nothing to do with the school's zero tolerance policy...really? Really? Damn...you could have fooled me.

 

[preslove]

Hmmm...so the subject of this thread in the "city's zero ordinance policy" and not the school's zero tolerance policy...really? Really? Damn...you could have fooled me.

Most policies like that are school district wide.

But, no, it's some lib'rul NEA agenda!!!!!!!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Most policies like that are school district wide.

But, no, it's some lib'rul NEA agenda!!!!!!!

You need to look up the history of zero tolerance policy in our schools...then come back and tell me with a straight face that the NEA had nothing to do with it. Wow.

 

[highland145]

First off - does anyone have a link/pictures of the nerf gun he actually brought to the school?

I posted the only that fit the news description. My kid has another one that shoots the "ping pong" balls but it wasn't on the nerf site and it looks even less like a gun.

 

[Scotteq]

http://www.hasbro.com/nerf/en_US/shop/browse.cfm


I just looked through everything Nerf sells...


*NOTHING* there could possibly be confused with a real weapon. Feel free to bowse youselves, if you like - (be warned - there is audio/video on the site for your coworkers to hear)


(1) Principal is a dumba$$ for doing this to the kid. If you don't want the toy in school, take it from the kid and keep it in your office and have the kid/parent pick it up after school.

(2) The Cops may only have been doing what the Principal demanded... But... It's perfectly within police authority to handle the case in a non-judicial manner. i.e. - tell the Principal he's being an idiot, and why.


Hammonton NJ - http://www.townofhammonton.org/

Hammonton Public Schools: http://www.hammontonps.org/

Complain Loudly. Complain often.

 

[airdata]

Phew.... I'm glad I finished school before all of the columbine stuff went down.

The dead grenade I got at the army navy surplus just didn't go over well on april fools day in third grade.

Luckily it was just a trip to the principals office and calling the parents. Today? I'd probably be sent to a boot camp or something!

 

[Scotteq]

Phew.... I'm glad I finished school before all of the columbine stuff went down.

The dead grenade I got at the army navy surplus just didn't go over well on april fools day in third grade.

Luckily it was just a trip to the principals office and calling the parents. Today? I'd probably be sent to a boot camp or something!

They'd call in the ATF, and a sniper would take you out in the middle of 3rd period. D:




Oh... You're in Texas....


Well, in that case, the ATF would sell the weapons to Mexican drug trafficers, who would illegally cross the border...



..so they can shoot you in the middle of 3rd period... :awe:

 

[irishScott]

It's New Jersey. I'm surprised they haven't tried to ban minors from watching Star Wars and Power Rangers. All those evil space-guns.

 

[trenchfoot]

Maybe the school admin is making it's decision based on the idea that if there is no specific language provided to them that defines what is/is not in general terms "a weapon", and must rely on on-site discretion to decide, then they may have decided at their level that any instrument that fires a projectile has the potential for harm, whether mental or physical. (more to follow) got'ta go back to work. :sneaky:

 

[ShawnD1]

It's New Jersey. I'm surprised they haven't tried to ban minors from watching Star Wars and Power Rangers. All those evil space-guns.

Actually I do remember people bitching about Power Rangers. The Ninja Turtles didn't really kill people, and they would often tie up bad guys and call the police. The Power Rangers straight up kill every monster Rita sends.

 

[irishScott]

Actually I do remember people bitching about Power Rangers. The Ninja Turtles didn't really kill people, and they would often tie up bad guys and call the police. The Power Rangers straight up kill every monster Rita sends.

Seriously? They kill inhuman (literally) monsters by blowing them up with sparks. It's barely a notch above a Care Bear Stare.

I suppose New Jersey would like the power rangers to sit back and call the police while Godzilla-sized monsters kill everyone.

 

[Uhtrinity]

There is nothing wrong with zero tolerance policies and that isn't a left / right thing. I work in a Charter School that has a zero policy on taunting and bullying. Guess who founded the school? They happen to be right leaning and even though I lean left I love the policy.

As far as the Nerf gun, yeah, I think they over reacted, but that was that administrators choice and he is the one who will get the backlash.

As far as the dagger issue, that was an administrator decision based on one student that was overturned by a school board. A complete non-issue.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Maybe the school admin is making it's decision based on the idea that if there is no specific language provided to them that defines what is/is not in general terms "a weapon", and must rely on on-site discretion to decide, then they may have decided at their level that any instrument that fires a projectile has the potential for harm, whether mental or physical. (more to follow) got'ta go back to work. :sneaky:

It's not a fucking weapon. Weapons are functionally made to do damage. "Imitation" in the sense that it might reasonably be mistaken is understandable. The standard you use means that having toy balloon twisted into the shape of a gun is a weapon. After all it can go "boom".

Justification of stupidity is just that- stupid. Zero tolerance is zero thought.

I think I'll fire off a scathing email.

 

[irishScott]

There is nothing wrong with zero tolerance policies and that isn't a left / right thing. I work in a Charter School that has a zero policy on taunting and bullying. Guess who founded the school? They happen to be right leaning and even though I lean left I love the policy.

As far as the Nerf gun, yeah, I think they over reacted, but that was that administrators choice and he is the one who will get the backlash.

As far as the dagger issue, that was an administrator decision based on one student that was overturned by a school board. A complete non-issue.

There are always exceptions to any rule. Zero tolerance policies are for the lazy who have no desire to make actual decisions.

 

[tk149]

http://www.hasbro.com/nerf/en_US/shop/browse.cfm


I just looked through everything Nerf sells...


*NOTHING* there could possibly be confused with a real weapon. Feel free to bowse youselves, if you like - (be warned - there is audio/video on the site for your coworkers to hear)
.

OP's article says "Nerf gun", but Amused's NBC article says "Nerf-style toy gun". It's certainly possible the gun (if it was not an actual Nerf gun) looked realistic.

Anway, I think this is the law in question:

2C:39-5 Unlawful possession of weapons.
(3)Any person who knowingly has in his possession any imitation firearm in or upon any part of the buildings or grounds of any school, college, university or other educational institution, without the written authorization of the governing officer of the institution, or while on any school bus is a disorderly person, irrespective of whether he possesses a valid permit to carry a firearm or a valid firearms purchaser identification card.

2C:39-1 Definitions.
v."Imitation firearm" means an object or device reasonably capable of being mistaken for a firearm.

The law of unintended consequences is strong here. There's not much wiggle room there (e.g. minimum age). I don't think the police should act as judge and jury. On the other hand, the school admins acted pretty stupidly IMO.

 

[Patranus]

OP's article says "Nerf gun", but Amused's NBC article says "Nerf-style toy gun". It's certainly possible the gun (if it was not an actual Nerf gun) looked realistic.

Anway, I think this is the law in question:





The law of unintended consequences is strong here. There's not much wiggle room there (e.g. minimum age). I don't think the police should act as judge and jury. On the other hand, the school admins acted pretty stupidly IMO.

Any gun that fires ping pong sized nerf balls cannot be easily mistaken for a real gun.

I would like to see a real gun the size of a nerf gun and have a 36.5125mm diameter barrel.

 

[irishScott]

Any gun that fires ping pong sized nerf balls cannot be easily mistaken for a real gun.

I would like to see a real gun the size of a nerf gun and have a 36.5125mm diameter barrel.

It was probably painted black with a barrel shroud.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Heh, I sent a rather colorful message off to Dr. Dan.

Not sure if I should post it here

 

[GoPackGo]

So if a kid plays with a toy car on his desk is that the same as reckless driving? What a bunch of bullshit. This kid will probably be fucked up now for the rest of his life...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So if a kid plays with a toy car on his desk is that the same as reckless driving? What a bunch of bullshit. This kid will probably be fucked up now for the rest of his life...

Well he'll never trust "The Man".