6800nu vs. 6800gt

[johnnqq]

nobody cares about sm3. OMFG ferrari made a new 360 with a jet engine! if the jet engine ferrari is slower than a regular 360, what's the point?

just look at benchmarks...don't listen to these fanboys.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: nitromullet
What is a "pre-order" on a refurb? Are they anticipating returns?

Perhaps they have a supply of returns undergoing refurbishment and are waiting until they have enough cards recertified to make it worth their time to sell.

That doesn't instill much more confidence.

And no other manufacturer gets product returns that they refurbish/resell?

 

[Xyclone]

A 6800NU should be in the high-end range of video cards for about a year to a year and a half.

 

[johnnqq]

that year already passed

 

[LoungeAct404]

"Actually everyone's opinion matters. Maybe SM 3.0 does matter to some people. Secondly, nobody really cares for your constant mispelled F-bombs. Thirdly, Sm3.0 will eventually become popular. Think about it. When SSE2 coding came out on the P4 people thought it would never become popular. But with time it did. Just because the opinion doesn't matter to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't matter to other people. "

...I'm sure you don't believe that EVERYONE's opinion matters, so please don't say so. Secondly, SM 3.0 only matters to misinformed people (I.E. that hans noob) that think they're going to be able to get something out of their 6800nu/gt/U's SM3. HERE'S A CLUE, THEY WON'T. Secondly, they're misspelled for a reason. Thirdly: yes, I know SM3 will eventually become popular. Keyword: EVENTUALLY. Maybe I should bold that, italicize it, and underline it because you are apparently a moron. Eventually means that right now, you can hardly even use the SM3 that hans won't stfu about.

"Lol you make a very good point "

Lol you are a fool.

 

[tbradsha]

The 6800NU is not all that future-proof except at lower resolutions with no AA/AF. But if you are OK with that, then the 6800NU should last you for quite a while, probably ~2 years. For the next couple years, game developers will need to make sure their games are playable on today's popular cards like the 6800NU. A 6600 GT would also serve you well.

I personally think AA/AF and higher resolutions make a pretty big image quality difference that is worth the price. And for the record, while there is little difference between 100 and 110 FPS, the difference between 30 and 40 FPS can mean the difference between playable and unplayable. But I don't think you'll face this issue in the next two years at lower video settings.

If eye candy isn't that important to you, then save your $100 for the next upgrade. The 6800NU should definitely play fine on the games you mentioned.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: LoungeAct404
"Actually everyone's opinion matters. Maybe SM 3.0 does matter to some people. Secondly, nobody really cares for your constant mispelled F-bombs. Thirdly, Sm3.0 will eventually become popular. Think about it. When SSE2 coding came out on the P4 people thought it would never become popular. But with time it did. Just because the opinion doesn't matter to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't matter to other people. "

...I'm sure you don't believe that EVERYONE's opinion matters, so please don't say so. Secondly, SM 3.0 only matters to misinformed people (I.E. that hans noob) that think they're going to be able to get something out of their 6800nu/gt/U's SM3. HERE'S A CLUE, THEY WON'T. Secondly, they're misspelled for a reason. Thirdly: yes, I know SM3 will eventually become popular. Keyword: EVENTUALLY. Maybe I should bold that, italicize it, and underline it because you are apparently a moron. Eventually means that right now, you can hardly even use the SM3 that hans won't stfu about.

"Lol you make a very good point "

Lol you are a fool.

Dude, chill out. Its a video card. Why do you care so much that he's excited about SM3.0?

 

[Megatomic]

Search on hans' posts in this forum.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: Creig
How about an AGP X800 XT Platinum Edition for $221.71 shipped? It's an ATI refurb, but it's direct from ATI and comes with full 3 year warranty and all accessories.

that would be a better deal if it had SM3...oh, but it doesnt.

If he's gonna be using the card for more than a year, i'd go ahead and get the 6800gt (which does have Sm3) because next gen games will be better with it.

don't consider and ati card. (unless they had the r520 out, which they dont).

The vanilla 6600 has SM3. The x850 XTPE doesn't. Wonder which is the faster card?

 

[imported_g33k]

SM 3.0 has trouble runnning on a 7800gtx. On a 6800, it will render the game unplayable. It's mostly just a checkbox feature on the 6800. I don't think it should weigh in on what kind of card to buy for last gen. Kudos to nVidia for being the first to introduce it though.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: g33k
SM 3.0 has trouble runnning on a 7800gtx. On a 6800, it will render the game unplayable. It's mostly just a checkbox feature on the 6800. I don't think it should weigh in on what kind of card to buy for last gen. Kudos to nVidia for being the first to introduce it though.

Um ... do you know what S.M 3.0 is? Unplayable on a 7800GTX?....
:frown:

You people are seriously misinformed. Please google it, and actually learn what it actually is. Performance hit? since when? One great Example SC:CT- what performance hit? S.M.3.0 was introduced to refine S.M2.0, hence a more efficent operations with the shaders, and providing performance increases... not a hit? IQ could be debatable though.

Anyhow upcoming games ARENT going to use S.M.2.0. why would they when S.M.30 can provide more and is more efficent then S.M.3.0? F.E.A.R, Half life2 aftermath, and such games are going to be S.M.3.0. Near all games upcoming are using it!!

And think about the fall back shaders. ATi dont support S.M.3.0. In fact, when buying last gen cards THIS LATE, those S.M 3.0 actually is important. 6 month ago it was quite stupid to use S.M 3.0 as a deciding factor. But now it is. Have you considered the fact some games might NOT even have S.M.2.0 as a fall back shader, and instead 1.1. (Now decrease in IQ by quite a margin compared to the other two). Or worse no fall back shaders....

For people buying a card for 2years of usage, go for the 6 series. great at open gl games, eg quake4 and dont have to worry about S.M etc.

 

[aka1nas]

There will be few if any games coming out in the next 6 months or even year that will absolutely refuse to run without SM3. It would be financial suicide for any game dev house to lock out the other 90% of the market who doesn't own a 6xxx series Nvidia card. By the time the feature is required, the 6800s will quite likely be too slow to play those games anyway.

As I stated earlier, the 6800nu is a fine card for your usage pattern. It doesn't sound like you are crazy about having every single detail turned up as high as it will go and more concerned with just having a card that will play your games. Save your cash and put it towards a new card in another 2 years when this one starts showing its age. Out of the games you mentioned, I have played all of them except BF2 and the 6800 is probably overkill for most of them to be honest.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Your forgetting something. I agree with ur point, and know what u mean, but think of it this way. Enthuastists have S.M 3.0 while the 90% of the market uses the fall back shader-S.M1.1. But not S.M2.0... since there isnt any point for them due to S.M3.0...

In the long run.. the 6 series edges out the X series...

 

[dnuggett]

Anyhow upcoming games ARENT going to use S.M.2.0. why would they when S.M.30 can provide more and is more efficent then S.M.3.0? F.E.A.R, Half life2 aftermath, and such games are going to be S.M.3.0. Near all games upcoming are using it!!

If FEAR is an example if S.M. 3.0's efficiency than no thank you. Don't use FEAR as an example, that game owns a 7800 let alone our 6800's.

 

[mistue]

i would consider the GT. maybe the 3dmarks show a few fps difference. but in source it big difference. fps is almost half i had both. till the big switch to pci-e, the 6800 nu with all on high was about 60-70 fps. the GT with same specs were 120-130 fps. and u wont have any problems playing BF2 with a 6800 nu u will need a gig of ram to be happy. Oh and my move to the evga ultra before the pci rush, it got like 300-350 fps. miss that card, sniff......

GO GT u wont be sorry

 

[Tommy2000GT]

I think some people are able to unlock the 4 extra pipes and vertex shader of the 6800nu to make it perform like a 6800GT

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Avalon
If you can get that X800XT refurb, I'd go for that. Ordering direct from ATI, I'd assume they'd use some good quality control on their refurb cards, so your chances of the card working just swell should be pretty high.

If you'd still like to grab a new card...I'd probably buy the 6800NU over the 6800GT. It may be in part because I actually owned a 6800NU and got it performing very close to a 6800GT, so I'm probably a little biased towards it. I'd still rather save the money, though. Who knows, maybe your card could do what mine did and unlock + overclock pretty well.

The other side of that coin is you can get a 6800GT to perform like a 6800U with very minimal effort in most cases.

How is that the other side of the coin? He wasn't asking for opinions between the 6800GT and the 6800U. This is strictly about the 6800NU and 6800GT. He already said he doesn't plan on using AA/AF and doesn't play at high resolutions, so either way, the saved money from the 6800NU sounds like the better choice to me. He'd even have the bonus of trying to unlock his card like some can do to provide a healthy boost in performance. An unlocked 6800NU is no slouch, even with eye candy on.

 

[GrayWolf5]

I have the PNY 6800NU - neweg.com - $159
9666 on 3DMark03
Unlocked no problem

Go the cheapest route - put the extra money in your computer fund for the future.

 

[GrayWolf5]

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

See the most people have as video cards

 

[orionb]

For the difference in price, go for the 6800. It's not bad, and you might be able to unlock the 4 extra pipes and the extra shader. Then, with a little overclocking, you can have a GT / Ultra core for much less money. I would stay away from XFX though. . . of the 5 "new" XFX 6800nu's I have gotten from newegg, at least two were obviously used. . . not newegg's fault, they were in retail packages - XFX is obviously selling refurb cards as new. That's ok as long as they are working, but none of the new cards softmodded, as could be expected.

 

[impemonk]

Originally posted by: LoungeAct404
hans030390, I'm getting pretty fvcking sick of you posting about SM3.0 in every fvcking thread I fvcking see.

Do you realize that less than 1% of all the games currently out support SM3.0, and the ones that do are garbage on a 6800GT? Have you even read any other threads about it? I'm guessing all you read was that gay little article and you felt the need to inform the public on what you thought was the truth. Sorry, it ain't, and nobody cares about your opinion. Please stop posting about your fvcking SM3.0. Thank you.

And thanks a ton to Creig for pointing out that amazing deal.

I totally agree... the guy just never stops babbling about SM3.0. Hans, you got to stop this SM3.0 thing you got going. Nvidia obviously doesn't have you on their payroll so you can stop the masquerading. Sorry bud...