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6800NU to be 375 core/700 memory

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Dman877

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25 mhz less core, 200 mhz less memory, a 4 less pipes then the ultra, I'm guessing 6800nu performance will be 35 - 40% better then the 5950.
 
Request: can we just drop "NU" from all card names from now on? I think we know that "6800" means a vanilla 6800, not any or all 6800s. 🙂
 
Request: can we just drop "NU" from all card names from now on? I think we know that "6800" means a vanilla 6800, not any or all 6800s.
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Yes, thank you. - consistancy rules.
 
Originally posted by: Dman877
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25 mhz less core, 200 mhz less memory, a 4 less pipes then the ultra, I'm guessing 6800nu performance will be 35 - 40% better then the 5950.
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and DDR1 rather than DDR3 I believe
 
any word on the core specs? being able to softmod it into the 6800U would be just wonderful. especially since there will be 256MB versions of the 6800 available.
 
I'll reserve judgement on this till I see benches.

In general, Ive considered RAM at less than 800MHz almost inexcusable since the 5800s came out. I'd rather pay $400 for a 6800 with the RAM at 900MHz then $300 for one with the RAM 700MHz.

This will just make me buy the $500 card. (hmmmm- could that be the plan? 😉 )
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
I'll reserve judgement on this till I see benches.

In general, Ive considered RAM at less than 800MHz almost inexcusable since the 5800s came out. I'd rather pay $400 for a 6800 with the RAM at 900MHz then $300 for one with the RAM 700MHz.

This will just make me buy the $500 card. (hmmmm- could that be the plan? 😉 )
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Its still 256bit though, way more bandwidth than the 5800U.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Rollo
I'll reserve judgement on this till I see benches.

In general, Ive considered RAM at less than 800MHz almost inexcusable since the 5800s came out. I'd rather pay $400 for a 6800 with the RAM at 900MHz then $300 for one with the RAM 700MHz.

This will just make me buy the $500 card. (hmmmm- could that be the plan? 😉 )
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Its still 256bit though, way more bandwidth than the 5800U.
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But significantly less than the 5900U/5950U. Either the NV40 is less dependent on super-high memory bandwidth than the 5900-series cards were, or the low-end 6800 is not going to show the same kinds of huge (50-100% better across the board) performance increases as the 6800U did.

The 6800 has 3/4 the pipelines and 2/3 the memory bandwidth of the 6800U, and the GPU is slower (I've heard both 350Mhz and 375Mhz as rumored speeds). There's likely going to be a bigger gap between the 6800 and 6800U than there is right now between the 5950U and the base 5900. It'll still be *fast* (It's a 12-pipe card, after all), but I'm not sure that it'll be consistently more than 50% faster than a 9800Pro or 5900U...
 
But memory bandwidth will mean less and less as we get into more shader-heavy titles.

Anyway, I'm sure nV will offer something with faster memory at the $400 price point. The 5900XT and 9800P showed that ~350MHz is a decent max for DDR1, particularly since those cards are consistently around $200 and under.

Now that I think of it, though, if the 6800 really has fewer pipes and a lot less bandwidth, nV would be much more honest naming it the 6600 or something. GF4 4200, 4400, and 4600 seemed a lot more sensibly named than 6800/Pro/U or X800SE/Pro/XT. Pity that nV and ATi have taken to using similar names for different cores in this gen, a rather deceptive practice AFAICT.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Rollo
I'll reserve judgement on this till I see benches.

In general, Ive considered RAM at less than 800MHz almost inexcusable since the 5800s came out. I'd rather pay $400 for a 6800 with the RAM at 900MHz then $300 for one with the RAM 700MHz.

This will just make me buy the $500 card. (hmmmm- could that be the plan? 😉 )
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Its still 256bit though, way more bandwidth than the 5800U.
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I can afford $300, I can afford $500.. (although I'd rather not given the way the value of these things plummets a month after you buy them)
What I was trying to say is 700 vs 1100MHz is a HUGE difference, and I'd rather pay a $100 more for a card with some real memory on it where the performance difference was less apparent.
 
Originally posted by: Pete
But memory bandwidth will mean less and less as we get into more shader-heavy titles.

Anyway, I'm sure nV will offer something with faster memory at the $400 price point. The 5900XT and 9800P showed that ~350MHz is a decent max for DDR1, particularly since those cards are consistently around $200 and under.
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Word.
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
What I was trying to say is 700 vs 1100MHz is a HUGE difference, and I'd rather pay a $100 more for a card with some real memory on it where the performance difference was less apparent.
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Agreed!
 
Originally posted by: Pete
But memory bandwidth will mean less and less as we get into more shader-heavy titles.

Anyway, I'm sure nV will offer something with faster memory at the $400 price point. The 5900XT and 9800P showed that ~350MHz is a decent max for DDR1, particularly since those cards are consistently around $200 and under.

Now that I think of it, though, if the 6800 really has fewer pipes and a lot less bandwidth, nV would be much more honest naming it the 6600 or something. GF4 4200, 4400, and 4600 seemed a lot more sensibly named than 6800/Pro/U or X800SE/Pro/XT. Pity that nV and ATi have taken to using similar names for different cores in this gen, a rather deceptive practice AFAICT.
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Pete Pete Pete. Shader heavy titles? Like HL2? I've heard they're a myth....
😉

Anyway, what I was getting at is something along the lines of the Ti release: Ti4200=$200, Ti4400=$300, Ti4600=$400.
I think people would be happiest if they did the $300/$400/$500 route. The guys like BFG that had to have the very best because they keep their card a while could pay the $500.. The guys like me who want close to the best, but maybe not THE best because we'll have a new card in 6-8 months anyway could buy the $400. card so BFG couldn't make fun of our Morris Minors/hot air ballons/cows/whatever else he wants to equate our 5-10% slower cards with.

That's all we want, a little dignity......🙁



LOL
 
Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
375/700? 6800 is starting to look like a 9800 pro with 4 pipelines slapped on. For Nvidia's sake I hope its not.
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Of course, if it performed 50% better than a 9800Pro and cost 50% more, that would be pretty fair, IMO.
 
Of course, if it performed 50% better than a 9800Pro and cost 50% more, that would be pretty fair, IMO.
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A 50% difference would be fair, but I don't think simply increasing the pipelines by 50% would yield that result. The 6800 ultra, remember, doubled the pipelines, changed the memory to ddr-3, and increased the memory clock significantly to yield approximately a 100% performance increase.
 
375/700? 6800 is starting to look like a 9800 pro with 4 pipelines slapped on. For Nvidia's sake I hope its not.
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What's so bad about a 9800 pro with 4 extra pipelines?

Say, is the 6800 a different core than the 6800 ultra?
 
Originally posted by: RAutrey
Originally posted by: Rollo
What I was trying to say is 700 vs 1100MHz is a HUGE difference, and I'd rather pay a $100 more for a card with some real memory on it where the performance difference was less apparent.
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Agreed!
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The only problem is 6800U costs $200 more not $100 more 😀
 
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
375/700? 6800 is starting to look like a 9800 pro with 4 pipelines slapped on. For Nvidia's sake I hope its not.
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What's so bad about a 9800 pro with 4 extra pipelines?

Say, is the 6800 a different core than the 6800 ultra?
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It will be the same core, but it will have features diabled via firmware/hardware.

However the Ultra uses GDDRIII and the 6800 doesnt, so flashing to a Ultra bios may take funcionality out of the card completely.
 
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