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parkbench

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I ran timedemo demo1 in High Quality at 1024x768 with Vsync on and got 33.4 fps.

Athlon XP 2500+ (barton i think)
512mb 2700ddr in dual channel
Asus A7N8X deluxe
eVGA 6800 GT
Soundstorm 5.1 DD
80GB Maxtor 7200rpm drive (just defragged)

The only thing running is Zonealarm. I unzipped the pk4 files into the base dir for better loading speeds and I switched self-shadows on. Other than that there are no differences.

Shouldn't I be getting better fps? Can someone give me some tweaks and preferred BIOS settings?

The card itself came with some weird recommendations for BIOS settings.
 
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Rage187

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I'm having similar issues.

AMD XP 2600
1 gig DDR 2700
BFG 6800GT

it does nothing but sputter no matter what the resolution is.

Tried the 61.77, moved to the 61.80's and the newest Via 4in1's, used all the bios settings that were suggested.

Wonder WTF I'm missing.
 
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parkbench

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Well, mine's not sputtering. I'm getting consistent framerates but it doesn't seem anywhere near in line with what all the benchmark sites are getting. I'm wondering if I'm missing something, installed drivers incorrectly, can tweak things further, or what my bottlenecks are and how to find out.

Sputtering sounds like you have something setup wrong.
 
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Kobra

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Thats not too good. I'm running at 1600x1200 at 73FPS in Doom3..

You guys got two major weaknesses, your processors are very slow, and your ram is out of date. Those are like 1.5ghz processors or something,aren't they? I know AMD has that ghey numbering BS to try and trick people, but I think they are 1.5-1.8 is?

If so i'd say half your problem is right there, the other half is that slow ram. Are you both on 8xAGP with fast motherboards and chipsets? That helps a ton too. Better turn off BoneAlarm while running games too, that piece of sh_t software is more trouble than its worth.

http://www.boredmofo.com/downloads/kobrasdoomscores.JPG

^ My scores with a 6800GT at 1600x1200, but i'm running a Intel and junk. Overall, you got some nice video cards, but the rest of your systems are in the stone age.
 
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vshah

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Originally posted by: parkbench
I ran timedemo demo1 in High Quality at 1024x768 with Vsync on and got 33.4 fps.

Athlon XP 2500+ (barton i think)
512mb 2700ddr in dual channel
Asus A7N8X deluxe
eVGA 6800 GT
Soundstorm 5.1 DD
80GB Maxtor 7200rpm drive (just defragged)

The only thing running is Zonealarm. I unzipped the pk4 files into the base dir for better loading speeds and I switched self-shadows on. Other than that there are no differences.

Shouldn't I be getting better fps? Can someone give me some tweaks and preferred BIOS settings?

The card itself came with some weird recommendations for BIOS settings
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don't run the timedemo with vsync on. it messes up the results.

-Vivan
 
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Childs

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Originally posted by: Kobra
Thats not too good. I'm running at 1600x1200 at 73FPS in Doom3..

You guys got two major weaknesses, your processors are very slow, and your ram is out of date. Those are like 1.5ghz processors or something,aren't they? I know AMD has that ghey numbering BS to try and trick people, but I think they are 1.5-1.8 is?
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You've stated something to this effect in like 3 other threads today. Intel tricked you by lengthening thier pipelines to artificially increase their clock speed.

Anyways, back on topic. Did you guys go through the Doom3 tweak guide? For benchmarking turn vsync off, and make sure your AGP Aperture is set to 256. There are some things in the tweak guide that might help, but most of the systems benchmarked have faster overall systems, so if the differences in framerates are proportional it may be justified.
 
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parkbench

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Ok I disabled V-sync (but kept the selfshadow on) for timedemo demo1 and here's what I got:

36.5 fps

Now I realized that there's a shitload of texture thrashing on my system; when a screen first loads there's a "burst of slow."

So I re-ran the timedemo knowing that the computer will have loaded everything into RAM (or a swapfile or whatever) at this point and I got

51.2 fps!

That's a tremendous difference between the two timedemos! What's this Doom3 tweak guide? Does any of it pertain to me?

Is there anyway to minimize texture loads without upgrading? If not, what should I be upgrading first to get thrashing down? RAM, cpu, or hard drive (and how much will it cost)?

Cash is short right now, so only 1 will be upgraded if needs be.

Thanks guys.
 
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Bumrush99

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Something is wrong. On my setup I get 90fps, HQ.

I have better memory, Corsiar XMS low latency 2 2 2 5, and a better processor, but with the GT I would expect at least 60-70 FPS. Your PC2700 memory is holding you back, as is you lack of 1gb...
 
Keysplayr

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parkbench

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Can you guys stop wasting your energy fighting over stupid things and focus efforts on helping my situation instead?

K thx bye!
 
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Originally posted by: parkbench
Ok I disabled V-sync (but kept the selfshadow on) for timedemo demo1 and here's what I got:

36.5 fps

Now I realized that there's a shitload of texture thrashing on my system; when a screen first loads there's a "burst of slow."

So I re-ran the timedemo knowing that the computer will have loaded everything into RAM (or a swapfile or whatever) at this point and I got

51.2 fps!

That's a tremendous difference between the two timedemos! What's this Doom3 tweak guide? Does any of it pertain to me?

Is there anyway to minimize texture loads without upgrading? If not, what should I be upgrading first to get thrashing down? RAM, cpu, or hard drive (and how much will it cost)?

Cash is short right now, so only 1 will be upgraded if needs be.

Thanks guys.
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If you take a look at the reviews out there (specifically Anand's) they state that their numbers are gathered by running the timedemo three times. They throw out the first result and choose the highest from the other two. The first time through it does load a lot of things that slow it down.

-D
 
Keysplayr

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: parkbench
Ok I disabled V-sync (but kept the selfshadow on) for timedemo demo1 and here's what I got:

36.5 fps

Now I realized that there's a shitload of texture thrashing on my system; when a screen first loads there's a "burst of slow."

So I re-ran the timedemo knowing that the computer will have loaded everything into RAM (or a swapfile or whatever) at this point and I got

51.2 fps!

That's a tremendous difference between the two timedemos! What's this Doom3 tweak guide? Does any of it pertain to me?

Is there anyway to minimize texture loads without upgrading? If not, what should I be upgrading first to get thrashing down? RAM, cpu, or hard drive (and how much will it cost)?

Cash is short right now, so only 1 will be upgraded if needs be.

Thanks guys.
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Are you saying that this whole thread is here because you didn't run the timedemo more than once?
Sheesh. To precache the timedemo, type this: timedemo demo1 1
 
Schadenfroh

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parkbench

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Nah the thread is here because I'm still getting somewhat slow performance. I didn't know about the way the sites did their benchies but now I do. Even after precaching, I am getting a low framerate for my card (the guy a few posts up mentioned 70fps and HardOCP is getting 90s), so I'd like to get some help as to how I can get my framerates up. What my bottlenecks are, etc. I realize my system is aging so I'm trying to figure out what needs attention the most.

Lots of thrashing sucks, and I'd like to be getting optimal fps w/ the $400 card I bought!
 
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Originally posted by: Kobra
Thats not too good. I'm running at 1600x1200 at 73FPS in Doom3..

You guys got two major weaknesses, your processors are very slow, and your ram is out of date. Those are like 1.5ghz processors or something,aren't they? I know AMD has that ghey numbering BS to try and trick people, but I think they are 1.5-1.8 is?

If so i'd say half your problem is right there, the other half is that slow ram. Are you both on 8xAGP with fast motherboards and chipsets? That helps a ton too.
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Less retardation please.

1) AMDs number rating process is accurate - it's actually a bit conservative. My 1900+, for example, is faster than intel's P4 2.2 Ghz most of the time, and sometimes even outstrips the 2.4Ghz. It only runs at 1.6Ghz, but who cares when the processor produces the same performance (the same end results, the same FPS, etc, in case you're unclear) as an Intel 2.0 for a lot less cash?

2) His RAM is DDR333, and his processors FSB is 333Mhz. Having faster RAM wouldn't do anything for him, as his CPU wouldn't be able to take advantage of the extra clocks.

3) AGP8X doesn't mean ANYTHING. Games these days, including Doom 3, don't even saturate the bandwidth provided by the AGP4X bus (1.06 GB/Sec). AGP8X and PCI-E are marketing gimmicks. Looks like you bought into it hook, line, and sinker too.


Please know what you're talking about before posting.


EDIT: Tee hee: I love how the AMD 1600+ spanks the Pentium 4 2.0 Ghz in this benchy - it's gaming too, Unreal Engine 2, which is exactly the context we're speaking in...

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=1635&p=12
 
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nitromullet

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Originally posted by: parkbench
Nah the thread is here because I'm still getting somewhat slow performance. I didn't know about the way the sites did their benchies but now I do. Even after precaching, I am getting a low framerate for my card (the guy a few posts up mentioned 70fps and HardOCP is getting 90s), so I'd like to get some help as to how I can get my framerates up. What my bottlenecks are, etc. I realize my system is aging so I'm trying to figure out what needs attention the most.

Lots of thrashing sucks, and I'd like to be getting optimal fps w/ the $400 card I bought!
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Does the game actually play poorly, or are you just worried about your fps in the timedemo? Kobra's results (in the 70's) are also gotten with a 6800 GT overclocked to 420/1.15, so you can't expect those kinds of results.
 
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CVSiN

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video card isnt everything just becasue you buy a 400$ card does not mean your system will run with the big boys..
your CPU combined with the slower ram are your most likley culprits along with using onboard sound vs an external card will also eat some FPS..
benchmarks mean absolutly dick.. they are nothing but a computer penis measuring tool..

are you happy with how it plays? does the system play what you need it to play at a acceptable rate?

if not then fine.. time to upgrade.. if it does but a stupid number doesn't get near someone elses well.. you got personal problems that a new cpu isnt going to fix =P

play D3 or whatever else you play for fun... dont worry if your number isnt as high as some guy that spent 2k on a cpu. there is nothing wrong with your card or CPU
 
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parkbench

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Thanks Insomniak for the reply about the RAM and CPU both being at 333mhz. You saved me a bunch of cash! Since I have revision 1 of the Asus A7N8X deluxe board, does this mean I'm stuck at 333mhz parts or can I push the board to 400mhz and then purchase 400mhz RAM and CPU? (ie Do I need to buy a mobo, cpu, and ram or can I get away with just cpu and ram?)

ANYWAY, I got a few more fps by doing several things: I ran Reg Seeker, Spybot, defragmented with Diskeeper, installed new nForce2 and 6800 drivers. Then I re-ran with precaching on which were 1024x768 High Quality and V-Sync off (w/ self-shadow on), and I got 3 more fps... 54.5fps. The precaching shouldn't have added any more fps because I did run the previous timedemos several times after I made the guess about thrashing above. So you could say I artificially precached them.

Anyway, 2 questions...

1)putting V-sync on dropped me to 47.7fps, a 7fps drop, is this normal?
2) Is AA or AF CPU dependent? Should I bother w/ them? Reason I'm asking is because I'm obviously not going to get any extra performance out of my system so I'm wondering what bells and whistles I can push with a 333mhz bottleneck.

Thanks!
 
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parkbench

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Ugh, can't believe I need to say this but it's not about a "penis measuring tool" as you so eloquently put it. It's about performance in a game that I paid good money for. Obviously, just like anyone(!), I want to ensure my expense went to a good place, and want to ensure that I'm getting the highest possible performance. I know benchmarks aren't the end-all, be-all, but guess what? They are the only way of knowing if I'm on the right track to getting the most out of $400. Not only that, but I never overclock because of the risk involved with damaging my equipment. If I was rich then I'd buy an Alienware and be done with it and have the bragging rights to go along with it, but I'm not and I enjoy gaming and I don't want to put the time into tweaking my system months from now, especially if I feel I'm not where I want to be. I don't expect miracles but I'm posting here to get assistance from gamers such as myself to get the best possible quality AND performance because I like gaming!

I'm not in the mood for fighting, I just have some questions that I was hoping someone could answer. Can some please answer my 3 questions in the post above? Thanks in advance!
 
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