67% support for Presidents plan from those who watched speech

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Fern
No matter the audience, I would expect Obama to get some sort of 'bump'. He's a good speaker and personable fellow.

But there's a long way to go, and some of Obama's promises like no increase in deficit just won't hold up. Whatever bump there was will soon disappear.

Fern

Why won't it hold up? Other than the government can't manage anything properly and always overspends philosophy what makes you think he can't meet this promise?

1. Mandate coverage for millions not now covered, raising billions in premiums/penalties that aren't being collected now.
2. Eliminate or reduce uncovered care that is now being absorbed by hospitals and passed on to insurers and premium payers
3. Simplify the paperwork nightmare that is created by the current insurance monopolies
4. Reduce catostrophic care by increasing preventative care

All of those things will raise income and reduce spending and are quite capable of funding the additional coverage /(insurance credits extended to poor and low wage earners)

And in addition the President intends to include a clause that would force spending cuts if the savings aren't realized.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Genx87
I read this piece this morning and wondered what the point of it was except to fill space. Shocker 67% of people who watched the speech who happen to be half Democrat support Obama.

I have heard of inane points but this article is approaching epic levels.

That was not the important part of the poll, and CNN's analysis of it specifically mentions this. The raw percentage doesn't mean much as the spread doesn't match the current partisan composition of America.

What IS interesting is the change in support from before and after the speech, as that change is significant regardless of the makeup.

Just shows how easily the sheep buy into BS...heck just look at how effective marketing is, even the former late great Billy Mays could sell this turd of a bill with enough shouting.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: shira
Of course, it would be extremely embarrassing if it were shown (as I'm sure it WOULD be), that the less well-informed you are, the more you oppose the proposal.

Maybe the new Republican motto should be, "Ignorant, and proud of it!"

QFT

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: rudder
Because the people being polled are not concerned with the truth.

Oh a blog! I have one of those too! Twitter source would've been better...

too much trouble to check the .gov links in the article?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: Fern
No matter the audience, I would expect Obama to get some sort of 'bump'. He's a good speaker and personable fellow.

But there's a long way to go, and some of Obama's promises like no increase in deficit just won't hold up. Whatever bump there was will soon disappear.

Fern

Why won't it hold up? Other than the government can't manage anything properly and always overspends philosophy what makes you think he can't meet this promise?

1. Mandate coverage for millions not now covered, raising billions in premiums/penalties that aren't being collected now.
2. Eliminate or reduce uncovered care that is now being absorbed by hospitals and passed on to insurers and premium payers
3. Simplify the paperwork nightmare that is created by the current insurance monopolies
4. Reduce catostrophic care by increasing preventative care

All of those things will raise income and reduce spending and are quite capable of funding the additional coverage /(insurance credits extended to poor and low wage earners)

And in addition the President intends to include a clause that would force spending cuts if the savings aren't realized.

1) Well there are reasons why those millions are not covered, one of the biggest reason is they are unable to pay. forcing insurance company to cover them most likely will require some kind of gov. subsidy
2) Yeah pass to insurers so they can charge cost of hospital + their cut
3) fine but who is gonna spend the money and who is gonna profit. Don't tell me Obama is gonna spend my tax dollar on the IT system and insurance company is gonna profit from the efficiency gain.
4) okay sounds good on paper but nobody knows if that will happen or if the reduction will be significant to off set the increase.

And Obama's clause is so vague that it doesn't tell people anything. How exactly he is gonna "force" spending cut, he got that much power? Or are we saying we are gonna give him the power to pick and choose what he can cut (including raising tax) and force it through to offset problems from his healthcare program?

But what else is new. He is good in talking all the hope and changes, and all the good that will come with his presidency and programs. Of course lots of people will support him and his idea if all they hear is the good side and he packages the good side in his speech so well that people don't question it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So now CNN is responsible for people who can't be bothered to read an article that is less than 500 words. Maybe they should start using Newspeak.

Tomorrow morning, send an email to your boss entitled "I Quit". Then about two or three sentences into the message body, place a caveat to that exclamation. Let's see how much weight he places on the header and not the content.

The title of the article was misleading, plain and simple.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: shira
Maybe the new Republican motto should be, "Ignorant, and proud of it!"

Might want to run the motto by the Democratically controlled CBO first

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: shira
Maybe the new Republican motto should be, "Ignorant, and proud of it!"

Might want to run the motto by the Democratically controlled CBO first

The CBO isn't controlled by any political party, genius. How can you be this stupid?

 

[trenchfoot]

So where's the republican plan? HUH? HUH?

Oh yeah, I forgot...it's leave things exactly as they are, where the insurance companies, pharma's and big HMO's have complete control over the flow of their exponentially rising profits, just the way the former administration of Bush&Cheney Inc. meant for it to be, and oh yeah #2 - "screw the poor and the unfortunate who can't afford health care because they hurt the bottom line".

Yep, it's the 'ol "Don't get sick but keep paying in" mentality of the profiteering corporatists that's leading the charge once again.

The spiraling cost of health care is curiously proportionate with the spiraling profit margins of the health care industry, so I guess the best the repubs can come up with is "Yeah, so what? What's wrong with that?"

So how is that sort of mentality being bipartisan and compromising, when the repub's only reason for existing at the moment is to destroy the Obama presidency the exact same way they destroyed themselves?

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: eskimospy
/facepalm

If you actually read CNN's writeup on that poll there is no way you could come to that conclusion.

Aha! But, but!, if you have a short attention span, poor reading comprehension skills, are prone to skimming instead of reading news, or are lazy or otherwise not a person who pays attention to detail, you could like totally overlook that.

So he had a point. Stupid people might draw the wrong conclusion from the article.

So basically people who watch Cable news. So CNN's audience.


They knew exactly what they were doing.

AND people who watched the speech. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the split of the viewership for the speech was somewhere around 45% dem / 18% rep / 37% ind.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So how is that sort of mentality being bipartisan and compromising, when the repub's only reason for existing at the moment is to destroy the Obama presidency the exact same way they destroyed themselves?

The opposition party serves to prevent tyranny of the majority. It is appropriate and necessary for the Republicans to challenge Obama and the Democrat's plan.

The spiraling cost of health care is curiously proportionate with the spiraling profit margins of the health care industry, so I guess the best the repubs can come up with is "Yeah, so what? What's wrong with that?"

There is nothing wrong with profit. There is a problem when the American people end up paying for layers of non value added bureaucracy.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...bama.speech/index.html

Not only does 67% percent of those who watched the speach support the presidents plan, but 1 in 7 changed their mind after watching the speach

All too easy!

"The sample of speech-watchers in this poll was 45 percent Democratic and 18 percent Republican."

From the very link you provided, at the bottom there, chief.

Shock and awe! Democrats approve of a Democrat president's plan!

:laugh:

Partisan hackery at its finest, both from CNN and the OP. Talk about skewed and worthless polling...

Err the point of the article was the 14% increase of approval in that sample.

The sample was strongly skewed in favor of the Democrats. Hence, mostly Democrats changed their approval after a Democrat President's speech and plan.

Reading comprehension is fundamental. I don't know how many times we can spell this out in plain terms.

The sample wasn't skewed.

The poll's sample is people who watched the speech. The fact is more self identified Democrats watched than self identified Republicans. That disparity doesn't skew the poll, it's just a fact.

What that fact means is subject to interpretation, but the fact that there's a disparity doesn't skew anything.

 

[PokerGuy]

:laugh: Another sad attempt by CNN to help push the dear leader's vision. There's a shocker, 67% of the people who watched agree with his speech (which is, of course, very different from the actual plan since he was lying during the speech. The people who watched were mostly: Obama cult followers and democrat fence sitters. No sane person could watch that used car salesman and believe a word he says.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
:laugh: Another sad attempt by CNN to help push the dear leader's vision. There's a shocker, 67% of the people who watched agree with his speech (which is, of course, very different from the actual plan since he was lying during the speech. The people who watched were mostly: Obama cult followers and democrat fence sitters. No sane person could watch that used car salesman and believe a word he says.

Don't worry, when we find a cure for ODS I'll be sure you're one of the first to be treated.

 

[piasabird]

The brain washing of the left slanted media is working. There is zero opposition to anything the president says from the media. It is like they are all drunk on O'Bammah-Love.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: shira
Maybe the new Republican motto should be, "Ignorant, and proud of it!"

Might want to run the motto by the Democratically controlled CBO first

The CBO isn't controlled by any political party, genius. How can you be this stupid?

Years of practice

 

[Pens1566]

So, about that 14% swing ...

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
So, about that 14% swing ...

What about it? You keep asking like it somehow means something. That 14% represents mostly democrats who were still somewhat apprehensive about the whole thing. They are obviously inclined to believe him, so after hearing him, they feel more comfortable with the government health takeover.

In short, I don't think it means much of anything. Those who oppose government run healthcare will continue to do so, regardless of what some politician says in a speech. Politicians are really really good at talking, but the actions don't always match the words.

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...bama.speech/index.html

Not only does 67% percent of those who watched the speach support the presidents plan, but 1 in 7 changed their mind after watching the speach

All too easy!

"The sample of speech-watchers in this poll was 45 percent Democratic and 18 percent Republican."

From the very link you provided, at the bottom there, chief.

Shock and awe! Democrats approve of a Democrat president's plan!

:laugh:

Partisan hackery at its finest, both from CNN and the OP. Talk about skewed and worthless polling...

Now that's what you call double pwned!

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...bama.speech/index.html

Not only does 67% percent of those who watched the speach support the presidents plan, but 1 in 7 changed their mind after watching the speach

All too easy!

"The sample of speech-watchers in this poll was 45 percent Democratic and 18 percent Republican."

From the very link you provided, at the bottom there, chief.

Shock and awe! Democrats approve of a Democrat president's plan!

:laugh:

Partisan hackery at its finest, both from CNN and the OP. Talk about skewed and worthless polling...

Looks like they acknowledged that pretty early in the article:

The audience for the speech appears to be more Democratic than the U.S. population as a whole. Because of this, the results may favor Obama simply because more Democrats than Republicans tuned into the speech. The poll surveyed the opinions of people who watched Wednesday night's speech, and does not reflect the views of all Americans.

You can't poll people about the effectiveness of a speech if they didn't actually watch it.

That's exactly what RPS is saying, why did the OP post this stupid comment insinuating the speech was a game changer.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...bama.speech/index.html

Not only does 67% percent of those who watched the speach support the presidents plan, but 1 in 7 changed their mind after watching the speech

It's all pointless. If I take Obama at his word, then yes I support the plan. Do I believe the bill the Democrats in congress are creating will reflect his plan? Hell no. Do I believe it is possible for the government to fairly compete along side private business? Hell no. Do I believe this reform will not add a dime to the deficit? Hell no.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jiggz

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...bama.speech/index.html

Not only does 67% percent of those who watched the speach support the presidents plan, but 1 in 7 changed their mind after watching the speach

All too easy!

"The sample of speech-watchers in this poll was 45 percent Democratic and 18 percent Republican."

From the very link you provided, at the bottom there, chief.

Shock and awe! Democrats approve of a Democrat president's plan!

:laugh:

Partisan hackery at its finest, both from CNN and the OP. Talk about skewed and worthless polling...

Looks like they acknowledged that pretty early in the article:

The audience for the speech appears to be more Democratic than the U.S. population as a whole. Because of this, the results may favor Obama simply because more Democrats than Republicans tuned into the speech. The poll surveyed the opinions of people who watched Wednesday night's speech, and does not reflect the views of all Americans.

You can't poll people about the effectiveness of a speech if they didn't actually watch it.

That's exactly what RPS is saying, why did the OP post this stupid comment insinuating the speech was a game changer.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's trying to claim the same old tired myth of media bias because they polled people who actually watched the speech.