6659 3dmark score with 4200ti 128mb need some help

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jjyiz28

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who said anything about his 1.6 being a northwood. i said a willamette 1.6 is a lot slower than 1.4 tbird. read what i posted earlier.
sdram can't effect his score that much. exactly how much more points do you think he'll gain from moving to ddr? lets say he has a 1.6 northwood which according to you is the same as a tbird 1.4. i know that a 1.4 tbird will score 9000-10000. are you saying that him using sdram effects his score that much?? lets say he has a 1.6 willamette according to your calculation is same as 1.2 tbird. a 1.2 tbird will score a lot higher than 6659.

and you running in safe mode, i assume cpu running stock p4 1.6 running with mx 440 getting 6900 while "commanderY" gets lower score with better video card. ill assume you have northwood while he has willamette, but that is still a huge difference. are you saying that his memory is holding him back that much??
or maybe safe mode you meant gpu stock cpu overclocked to 2.7. that would make more sense. i have a 750 with same vid card, getting 6000. no way is his 1.6 equivalent to a 1.2 or a 1.4.

no way is a northwood core running slower than a t-bird with lower mhz. hey, you were using 440 mx testing a tbird and a northwood using 3dmark. no duh you'll get same score, there is no more headroom with that mx440. that video card is bottlenecking your 3dmark score. lets say you used a 4200 instead and then you'll get faster results with the 1.6 northwood than the 1.4 tbird. jeebus christ.

a stock 1600+ which runs at 1.4 kills the 1.6 willamette, and you're telling me a 1.4 tbird is on par with a 1.6 northwood??
 

DusterAZ

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I would just format :) and reinstall ... save you the headache of trying to dig out those bad drivers. I guess I just say that since I reformat like every month :p

My score in 3dmark2001 is 8647 w/ a XP 1800+ @ 1680 and GF3 Ti200 @ 240/530. Even with PC100 I think you should be around 8000+
 

CraigRT

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6659 is not a bad score considering your setup is only 1.6GHz and SDR memory.
looks fine.
 

RSMemphis

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Originally posted by: Yield
6659 is not a bad score considering your setup is only 1.6GHz and SDR memory.
looks fine.

I agree. Especially the Quake 3 score looks like it is severely CPU limited.
SDRam and P4 = very bad combo.
Willamette much the worse.
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: RSMemphis
Originally posted by: Yield
6659 is not a bad score considering your setup is only 1.6GHz and SDR memory.
looks fine.

I agree. Especially the Quake 3 score looks like it is severely CPU limited.
SDRam and P4 = very bad combo.
Willamette much the worse.

Yep as said above this is true.

However, 1.6 GHz and SDR isn't that bad if the 1.6 GHz is an Athlon XP (1.6 GHz corresponds to 1900+), but a 1.6 GHz williamette is pretty slow, more like the performance of a 1.3-1.4 GHz tbird. PC100 memory is VERY slow by today's standards.
 

HalfCrazy

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Below is a screen shot of my 3dmark2001se score and plus the specs on the system. I got this score after upgrading from a EVGA Geforce4 mx400.

3dmark2001se

AMD 1700+ Processor
Epox 8KHA+ (Rev 2.0)
512MB of Kingston PC2100 DDR
VisionTek Geforce4 TI-4200 128MB
Windows XP Pro
 

ScrewFace

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It's obvious your Pentium 4 1.6GHz is holding you back. In tests my 1.4GHz Tualatin Celeron outperforms a 2GHz Pentium 4. Upgrade to a 2.4GHz Pentium 4 and overclock the bastage!:)
 
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When I go to the website to compare with others, it says the score other people get with the same cpu is 9k. Is there something in the bios I could change that my help me? If I do format, how can I save my favorites and passwords before I do?
 

EXman

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I've got a 1.533 ghz AMD with a 4400 and get 6150 so I think you are fine both our CPUs just suck! I do Have a new Tbred on the way though!
 

jjyiz28

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exman: i have 750 athlon ti4200, and i get 6000. something is wrong with your setup.
commanderY: is your cpu willamette or northwood? i also did an ORB search and the scores range from 9000 to 5000.
 

DT4K

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Originally posted by: EXman
I've got a 1.533 ghz AMD with a 4400 and get 6150 so I think you are fine both our CPUs just suck! I do Have a new Tbred on the way though!
Dude, I dont' know what mobo and RAM you are running, but that sounds really low.
I've got an Abit KR7A with XP 1700+ (1.47Ghz) with a GF3 Ti200 and 512MB of PC2100. I get around 7000. When I OC my card to Ti500 speeds (240/510), I get around 7800 - 7900.
 

pelikan

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I think its the memory. The score is fine. Memory bandwidth has everything to do the your 3DMark score. For example, I get 500 - 1000 ( more points just going from Cas2.5-3-3-6 2T to Cas2-2-2-5 1T with DDR. Another point supporting memory bandwidth influence in 3DMark is the increase in score as you raise your front side bus. I get about 1000 points every time I raise my front side bus 20MHz.
 
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Ok should I get pc 133 memory or should I take the card back and get a 9500 pro? I see that the 9500 pro does not need 350 watts of pwer maybe this will help....
 

holdencommodore

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Have you tried using a program from Guru 3d called Detonator Destroyer? That program will completly remove the drivers from the old card, which could fix the problem.

Cheers
 
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Ok took out one of my 128 mb pc 100, and put in a 512 mb of pc 133. So now I have 896 mb of pc 133 ram. Score went up to 7309. Quake 3 went up to 137fps at 1024 x 768 on max detail. I could not get Detonator Destroyer to work on my system with xp, did i do something wrong? I guess I could still have some MX drivers from the last card hurting my score?
 

Jeff7

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It could be that you're using decent image quality settings. The best way to improve your framerates to those insane levels that some people report is to reduce all visual quality settings to their minimums. Everything will look like utter crap then, but it will be liquidy smooth crap.:)
 

apoppin

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It IS your CPU/RAM combo

Let me give you a parallel example with my system . . .

I have a 1.2Ghz Tualatin Celeron (slightly faster than the "regular" PIIIs and 'much' faster than the .18 P-4 clock-for-clock) with 384MB (PC-133) SDRAM and a Radeon 8500 (128MB retail) - my 3D Mark2001SE score is 6584. Simply overclocking my FSB to 125 from 100FSB (1.5Ghz) gives me 7738 (and O/C'ing my videocard gives me a few hundred points over 8,000).

Your CPU/SDRAM is holding you back more severely than my system as your P4 really needs DDR-RAM (and a "Northwood"). You might consider O/C'ing your FSB - as far as your PC-100 will go (perhaps to 110-125FSB) - for a 10% FREE performance increase

If you want "more" - upgrade your setup. ;)
 

bigpow

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Yup, those numbers are normal.
Overclock the TI4200 to TI4600 speed (see if you're lucky), and expect up to 30% increase.
 

AtomicDude512

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Originally posted by: jjyiz28
what speed is your core and memory clocked at??

The 128MB version of Ti 4200 has 250/223 speeds. (I think, but I know the memory is slower than 64MB.)