6600GT better than a 9700pro both agp?

[Glavinsolo]

I have a secondary computer with a 9700pro all inwonder

will this 6600gt kick it out of the water?

 

[Avalon]

Pretty much. A 6600GT outperforms a 9800 pro. Anand has some benches on it, but I'm too lazy to link to them

 

[VIAN]

Yeah, but does it do that at the same IQ?

 

[josepavento]

Is it better? Yes.

Will it blow a 9700pro out of the water? No.

Is it worth upgrading from a 9700pro to a 6600gt? No. From a 9700pro, you should aim for the 6800 series... (or x800/ x850 series from ati).

 

[VIAN]

benches please.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: josepavento
Is it better? Yes.

Will it blow a 9700pro out of the water? No.

Is it worth upgrading from a 9700pro to a 6600gt? No. From a 9700pro, you should aim for the 6800 series... (or x800/ x850 series from ati).

Quoted for truth.

VIAN, you can't find benches on Anandtech yourself? If you want an easy overall comparison, look at page 9 of BeHardware's X700XT review (keep in mind a 9700P is 10-15% slower than a 9800P). Or just look at one of Digit-Life's 3Digests.

As for IQ, I thought it was fairly close, but I've heard from a new 6600GT owner that the IQ is much worse than his 9700. Could be a driver problem, though.

 

[VIAN]

I'm curious about the benchies.

If people are benching them with Nvidia cards at Quality then that is unfair to us customers. Even in High Quality it seems a bit unfair as some optimizations are still used in farther mipmap transitions.

I bought the card for it's speed over the 9800 Pro, but when I got it I noticed the terrible default IQ and have never read about it in a review. Seems like people have been hiding it. Then when I looked, it seemed that they all benched at default IQ, but never spoke of the difference in IQ. In a picture it may look similar, but in motion it doesn't.

I'll check the site.

 

[josepavento]

Originally posted by: Pete

Originally posted by: josepavento
Is it better? Yes.

Will it blow a 9700pro out of the water? No.

Is it worth upgrading from a 9700pro to a 6600gt? No. From a 9700pro, you should aim for the 6800 series... (or x800/ x850 series from ati).

Quoted for truth.

VIAN, you can't find benches on Anandtech yourself? If you want an easy overall comparison, look at page 9 of BeHardware's X700XT review (keep in mind a 9700P is 10-15% slower than a 9800P). Or just look at one of Digit-Life's 3Digests.

As for IQ, I thought it was fairly close, but I've heard from a new 6600GT owner that the IQ is much worse than his 9700. Could be a driver problem, though.

What does quoted for truth mean? Does that mean you agree with me? Disagree? Think I'm going to edit my post later? (Just curious, never seen that before)

 

[Glavinsolo]

Looking at those benchies i think the x800pro should be in the 250-200dollar range.

 

[SneakyStuff]

A 9700 Pro AGP will run about $100 less than a 6600GT AGP, it's a price/performance question here, in my opinion you can't go wrong, because both cards offer an excellent ratio. Just choose a card based on your price range, and go for it, you're gonna be happy either way.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: josepavento
Is it better? Yes.

Will it blow a 9700pro out of the water? No.

Is it worth upgrading from a 9700pro to a 6600gt? No. From a 9700pro, you should aim for the 6800 series... (or x800/ x850 series from ati).

I couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[nemesismk2]

I own both an msi 6600gt and a ocuk 9700 pro, apart from doom3, scrapland and 3dmark 2003/2005 I was disappointed with the small performance increase I got from upgrading? to the 6600 gt.

I have heard the reports saying the 6600 gt has worse image quality than a 9700 pro but from my experience that is not true!

There is one thing where the 9700 Pro is miles ahead and that is driver support, I am sick of all of these rubbish beta drivers from nvidia! :disgust:

 

[VIAN]

What settings do you run your GT at?

Pete: I looked at the benches at Anandtech and not only are there many which makes it more confusing, but they don't mention anything other than the driver they are using, which leads me to believe that they just used Quality. But that means that they would have seen the difference in IQ, but they don't mention it. And wtf happened to that IQ article everyone was talking about.

 

[Darth Farter]

Image quality comparison with 9800XT BUT on 22 NOV2004 & the old 66.93 drivers (seems that the beta 71.xx drivers are preferred on every forum for 6600gt's...and it seems they fixed some issues and tweaked the drivers for nv43, but we'll have to wait for a full WHQL release to judge on that)
here's the IQ test between 6600GTagp reference model(500/900 & 66.93) & 9800pro (catalyst 4.11).
http://bit-tech.net/review/371/1

performance comparison with 9800XT:
http://hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1755.1
http://www.neoseeker.com/Artic...6600gtocagp/index.html
http://www.neoseeker.com/Artic...nv6600gtagp/index.html

comparison with 9800pro:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2277&p=3

all in all: better features, beats 9800XT on the whole (sometimes by quite large %) and cheaper then 9800xt. (ati intentionally reduced the 9800pro price to have something to compete with it, but it performs even better than 9800XT most of the time.)

and before some ppl may argue that it runs bad @ 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF but remember we're talking $200 mainstream here... IQ/performance at those levels are for high end cards. (so compare the 9800XT with a 6800/x800pro lol)

 

[BigBadBiologist]

While this is technically a preview, there is a good article on HardOCP about the 6600GT vs. 9800. They do a good job at going over image quality and performance.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njg5

I would imagine that performance is even a little better now that newer dets have come out.

/edit: my mistake, they don't talk about IQ too much.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: josepavento
What does quoted for truth mean? Does that mean you agree with me? Disagree? Think I'm going to edit my post later? (Just curious, never seen that before)

It just means I agree with what you said. It's basically interchangable with nemesis' quotation + qualifier. You said it well enough that I didn't need to rephrase it, so I just quoted you for emphasis.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: VIAN
What settings do you run your GT at?

Pete: I looked at the benches at Anandtech and not only are there many which makes it more confusing, but they don't mention anything other than the driver they are using, which leads me to believe that they just used Quality. But that means that they would have seen the difference in IQ, but they don't mention it. And wtf happened to that IQ article everyone was talking about.

If you are talking to me then I usually run my games at 1280x1024 with 4xaa and 16xaf.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
I own both an msi 6600gt and a ocuk 9700 pro, apart from doom3, scrapland and 3dmark 2003/2005 I was disappointed with the small performance increase I got from upgrading? to the 6600 gt.

I have heard the reports saying the 6600 gt has worse image quality than a 9700 pro but from my experience that is not true!

There is one thing where the 9700 Pro is miles ahead and that is driver support, I am sick of all of these rubbish beta drivers from nvidia! :disgust:

So use the non beta WHQL drivers.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
I own both an msi 6600gt and a ocuk 9700 pro, apart from doom3, scrapland and 3dmark 2003/2005 I was disappointed with the small performance increase I got from upgrading? to the 6600 gt.

I have heard the reports saying the 6600 gt has worse image quality than a 9700 pro but from my experience that is not true!

There is one thing where the 9700 Pro is miles ahead and that is driver support, I am sick of all of these rubbish beta drivers from nvidia! :disgust:

So use the non beta WHQL drivers.

The problem is deciding which one is the best and has the correct water colour in Half Life 2.

 

[josepavento]

Originally posted by: Pete

Originally posted by: josepavento
What does quoted for truth mean? Does that mean you agree with me? Disagree? Think I'm going to edit my post later? (Just curious, never seen that before)

It just means I agree with what you said. It's basically interchangable with nemesis' quotation + qualifier. You said it well enough that I didn't need to rephrase it, so I just quoted you for emphasis.

Thanks for the explanation, always nice to learn something new.

 

[nemesismk2]

6600 gt v 5900 xt v r9700 pro v 9600 xt v gf4 ti4200 review

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Hmm, that makes the 6600GT look like the only option Is there any rationale now for buying a 9800pro 128MB for ~$160? I'm thinking about the upgrade... hard for me to go with a 6600 because I'm a little biased towards ATi. The 9800 too is a little easier to mod with a quiet fan ya?

 

[cornelp]

Here is a review from Anandtech directly. Its just the image i saved when I upgraded my system to see which card I wanted to upgrade to.
I had an ATI 9700 Pro too, and went to a 6800GT, but here is the image that compares:
ATI 9700 Pro (what U wanted).
Nvidia 6600GT
And also, the settings are at 1280X1024 which U said U play.

Hope this helped you...

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/6600gt%20review_09070410954/4400.png

BTW: Seems that the 6600GT beats the ATI 9700 Pro by 10 FPS, but honestly, if U play and get into a heavy duty fight (on-line), then U will loose a lof of FPS with the 9700 Pro, whereas the 6600GT will not go too low in FPS in heavy fights. Just a thought.

 

[nemesismk2]

The advantages the 6600gt has over the 9700 pro is much superior doom3, half life 2, scrapland, serious sam second encounter and x2 the threat performance. What I found with my 6600gt is that it scales very well when you increase resolution or use high quality settings, the r9700 pro kinda hits a brick wall much earlier.

 

[Creig]

Purchasing a 6600GT to replace a 9700 Pro will not give anywhere near as noticeable performance improvement than going to a 6800GT/X800XL. The truth is, 6600GT specifications have much more in common with a two year old 9700 Pro than with a modern 6800GT/X800XL.


9700 Pro
8 pixel pipelines
4 vertex pipelines
256 bit memory path
19.4 GB/sec peak memory bandwidth


6600GT
8 pixel pipelines
4 vertex pipelines
128 bit memory path
16GB/sec peak memory bandwidth


X800XL
16 pixel pipelines
6 parallel vertex pipelines
256 bit memory interface
32GB/sec peak memory bandwidth


6800GT
16 pixel pipelines
6 parallel vertex pipelines
256 bit memory interface
32GB/sec peak memory bandwidth


I wouldn't recommend replacing a 9700/9800 Pro with anything less than a 16 pipe 6800GT or X800XL.