Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

[Kedas]

Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"

 

[jpiniero]

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D to cost $449, launches April 20 - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D for 449 USD One of our best sources has provided a list of upcoming AMD AM4 processors that will be released in the coming weeks. AMD’s first Ryzen processor equipped with 3D V-Cache memory, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, now has a release date: April 20. According to Disclosuzen, who...

videocardz.com

Interesting, Videocardz is now saying that the 5800X3D will be $449 and the 5700X($299) and 5600 ($199) are actually Vermeer. It's like a de-bin/price cut instead. Release date of the 5800X3D is April 20th.

The 5500 is Cezanne and there's also some new 4000 series Renoir models too.

 

[Panino Manino]

Too little too late.
I really wasn't expecting that would take so long to launch this CPU. At this point is just a formally before AMD mass adopt this tech on a future CPU? Is really worth buying this CPU so late when Zen 4 will arrive not long after?

 

[jpiniero]

Too little too late.
I really wasn't expecting that would take so long to launch this CPU. At this point is just a formally before AMD mass adopt this tech on a future CPU? Is really worth buying this CPU so late when Zen 4 will arrive not long after?

Have to think April 20th does mean that Zen 4 isn't coming for awhile. Even factoring in the DDR5 issue.

 

[Mopetar]

Too little too late.
I really wasn't expecting that would take so long to launch this CPU. At this point is just a formally before AMD mass adopt this tech on a future CPU? Is really worth buying this CPU so late when Zen 4 will arrive not long after?

We don't have a definite launch time for Zen 4 yet, and with the time range AMD has given so far, it may easily be another four months after Zen 3D before Zen 4 drops.

It's not all that different from previous generations where an XT refresh would happen in the months leading up to the new Zen launch.

It's probably worth getting for someone on Zen 2 who doesn't want to do a completely new build.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

To be honest, I'd be more interested in something like 5700x as the last AM4 upgrade for my wife's box. 3D is nice, but 5700x just might be the sweetest price/performance/power spot.

It does sound interesting. I'd imagine a 5700G minus IGP with perhaps a bit better base frequency.

If it's Vermeer, so much the better.

 

[gdansk]

I don't think Zen 4 is coming until fall. So 6+ months as AMD's top gaming offering is short but they've done odd things like that before with the 3800XT.

I am considering replacing my old 1700X with a 5800X3D if the B450 motherboard it is in ever supports it.

 

[Saylick]

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D to cost $449, launches April 20 - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D for 449 USD One of our best sources has provided a list of upcoming AMD AM4 processors that will be released in the coming weeks. AMD’s first Ryzen processor equipped with 3D V-Cache memory, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, now has a release date: April 20. According to Disclosuzen, who...

videocardz.com

Interesting, Videocardz is now saying that the 5800X3D will be $449 and the 5700X($299) and 5600 ($199) are actually Vermeer. It's like a de-bin/price cut instead. Release date of the 5800X3D is April 20th.

The 5500 is Cezanne and there's also some new 4000 series Renoir models too.

Ehhh, price is spot on with where a realistic prediction would be but I do wish it were $50 lower.

 

[Grabo]

Cool, I really thought everything except the 5800X3D were wild rumours. Depending on where the 5600 and 5700x land pricewise herearound I may acquire one of them to prolong my B550 / DDR4 platform (currently using an R5 3600) for another year or two.

 

[Thibsie]

Too little too late.
I really wasn't expecting that would take so long to launch this CPU. At this point is just a formally before AMD mass adopt this tech on a future CPU? Is really worth buying this CPU so late when Zen 4 will arrive not long after?

IMO it is NOT there for those who would upgeade to Zen4, but those who will stay with AM4 for a while.

 

[deasd]

5500(CZN 6/12) & 5600(VMR 6/12) configuration & pricing looks pretty odd, these two would compete each other when on shelves.
But if true then so many info that leaked before were wrong though...ouch

 

[fleshconsumed]

It does sound interesting. I'd imagine a 5700G minus IGP with perhaps a bit better base frequency.

If it's Vermeer, so much the better.

While 5700G is a fine zen3 chip, it lacks PCIe4 and is handicapped by cutdown cache. If I wanted 5700G I would have gotten 5700G, 5700x appeal would have been full cache and favorable power consumption/price/performance ratio compared to 5800x/5800x3D (5800x PPT of 145W, same as 5950x is just ridiculous for a chip with half the cores).

As it stands now, I'd like to upgrade my wife's gaming box, it's just a question of what would be the best value at the end of the year - 5700G, 5800x, or 5700x if it's more than just a rumor.

 

[fleshconsumed]

As far as pricing rumors go, to be honest, I think $449 MSRP is a tad too high when you can buy 5950x for $600 right now.

 

[Thibsie]

As far as pricing rumors go, to be honest, I think $449 MSRP is a tad too high when you can buy 5950x for $600 right now.

Depends how it performs

 

[DrMrLordX]

As far as pricing rumors go, to be honest, I think $449 MSRP is a tad too high when you can buy 5950x for $600 right now.

Some places are selling the 5950X for less than that. Albeit not by much.

 

[nicalandia]

As far as pricing rumors go, to be honest, I think $449 MSRP is a tad too high when you can buy 5950x for $600 right now.

This will be the Gaming Champ out of the gate. Premium CPU command premium prices

 

[jamescox]

IMO it is NOT there for those who would upgeade to Zen4, but those who will stay with AM4 for a while.

Yeah, DDR5 might be very expensive and limited availability for a while. Not everyone likes dealing with board revision 1.0 hardware. I am surprised they are still making an AM4 part in 2022, but it will be a good upgrade for enthusiast.

Also, this is kind of like first gen Threadripper. A lot of the die for the 5800X3D are likely salvage from Milan-X production. Those that don’t have good enough power characteristics can be sold in the desktop market.

 

[Makaveli]

Yeah, DDR5 might be very expensive and limited availability for a while. Not everyone likes dealing with board revision 1.0 hardware. I am surprised they are still making an AM4 part in 2022, but it will be a good upgrade for enthusiast.

Also, this is kind of like first gen Threadripper. A lot of the die for the 5800X3D are likely salvage from Milan-X production. Those that don’t have good enough power characteristics can be sold in the desktop market.

That is something I would consider even on my build depending on reviews. It would allow me to skip version 1.0 of Zen 4 and either upgrade with a refresh or just wait until Zen 5 is out.

 

[coercitiv]

Yeah, DDR5 might be very expensive and limited availability for a while. Not everyone likes dealing with board revision 1.0 hardware.

I thought we already learned a valuable lesson from the Alder Lake launch with regard to DDR4 vs DDR5 pricing/availability. Both Intel and AMD need to make a gradual transition to DDR5, whether it's done via two platforms offered in parallel or a new arch with dual mem controller.

I recently built a system with 64GB DDR4. When considering the price difference towards an equivalent DDR5 build, my CPU upgrade came for free.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Here's another leak

AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D

TechPowerUp has verified a rumour posted over on VideoCardz that is quite puzzling, as AMD has asked motherboard makers to remove support for overclocking in the UEFI/BIOS for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. When we asked for a reason as to why this was the case, we were told that AMD was keeping that...

www.techpowerup.com

I've dabbled a little with trying to overclock my Ryzen chips and i find not wasting time to be the better option

 

[Ranulf]

Here's another leak

AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D

TechPowerUp has verified a rumour posted over on VideoCardz that is quite puzzling, as AMD has asked motherboard makers to remove support for overclocking in the UEFI/BIOS for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. When we asked for a reason as to why this was the case, we were told that AMD was keeping that...

www.techpowerup.com

I've dabbled a little with trying to overclock my Ryzen chips and i find not wasting time to be the better option

Hmm, so the rumor seems mostly true. For now at least AMD wants no overclocking on the new 3D chip. More fuel for the fires.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Hmm, so the rumor seems mostly true. For now at least AMD wants no overclocking on the new 3D chip. More fuel for the fires.

This can only mean one thing: AMD has not been honest regarding the temperature increase due to adding V-cache. It's definitely substantial and they are discouraging overclocking to prevent users from damaging their brand new CPUs. It could also mean that the V-cache gets overheated to the thermal limits of silicon, leading to premature failure. Plot thickens!

I'm sure LTT is all set and ready to burn a brand new 5800X3D on camera by overclocking it with a beta or modded BIOS to get 1 million views in 5 minutes 😀

In hindsight, the whole V-cache early announcement might have been a tactic on AMD's part to keep loyal users from jumping ship to Alder Lake.

 

[Makaveli]

Here's another leak

AMD Asks Motherboard Makers to Remove Overclocking Options for Ryzen 7 5800X3D

TechPowerUp has verified a rumour posted over on VideoCardz that is quite puzzling, as AMD has asked motherboard makers to remove support for overclocking in the UEFI/BIOS for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. When we asked for a reason as to why this was the case, we were told that AMD was keeping that...

www.techpowerup.com

I've dabbled a little with trying to overclock my Ryzen chips and i find not wasting time to be the better option

Yup PBO on set it and forget it.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I am not an AMD fanboy or an intel supporter. I just want cheap CPU's and competition is a good thing. The 5950x was $520 a few weeks ago on a woot deal. Alder Lake is ahead of Zen 3 and AMD seems to be ignoring that fact. Yes DDR5 is much more expensive but the ram will last longer than your next build. Greedy Intel seems to have learned from AMD with competitive prices for their Alder Lake CPU's vs. AMD. The stacked 3D cache seems more like a gimmick or perk but not something people pay extra for. Do car companies charge extra for AC in cars in 2022? It's a nice feature that comes with the car.

AMD really was doing it right with Zen+ and Zen2 with regards to pricing their products. With the advent of B550 and X570, not so much. PCI-4 is one and done. Those extra PCB layers are nice to look at but they do not add value to a PC build based on performance metrics.

With that said I am getting a Zen 3 CPU when the prices come to replace my 3600.

 

[itsmydamnation]

This can only mean one thing: AMD has not been honest regarding the temperature increase due to adding V-cache. It's definitely substantial and they are discouraging overclocking to prevent users from damaging their brand new CPUs. It could also mean that the V-cache gets overheated to the thermal limits of silicon, leading to premature failure. Plot thickens!

I'm sure LTT is all set and ready to burn a brand new 5800X3D on camera by overclocking it with a beta or modded BIOS to get 1 million views in 5 minutes 😀

In hindsight, the whole V-cache early announcement might have been a tactic on AMD's part to keep loyal users from jumping ship to Alder Lake.

no it can mean lots of other things.......

like they are worried about people over heating the bonds between the dies

 

[DrMrLordX]

Alder Lake is ahead of Zen 3 and AMD seems to be ignoring that fact.

Meh. Like AMD cares? That isn't even their primary market. Also prices on Vermeer are dropping everywhere as product gets pushed out of the channel. Clearly something is happening, so don't act like it isn't.