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Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"
 
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Thunder 57 said:
Where has this crap started from? Sounds like someone said Q2/April and it was repeated over and over again until it was thought of as fact.

H2 2022. They may be able to bring up to Q3 2022, but we shall see.
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igor_kavinski said:
If this is true, AMD may be getting something else ready to counter Raptor Lake. If they have warehouses full of CPU's ready to sell, they are probably thinking, why wait? Let's demolish Intel NOW.
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DrMrLordX said:
It's a rumour. I wouldn't take it for granted though. April/May is about when AMD should be launching a new gen product, but that doesn't mean they're gonna do it.



I mean, it ain't that good.
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The “source” is a guy on twitter. He is wrong. AMD would have Zen 4 in mass production by now. They do not. AMD themselves have stated H2. Zen 4 is likely to be announced at computex and launched Q3.
 
eek2121 said:
AMD would have Zen 4 in mass production by now. They do not.
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Kinda the wrong thread to go down that road but . . . you sure about that? That includes Genoa ya know.

igor_kavinski said:
With Zen 4, they might refresh everything from top to bottom.
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It should be clear by now that AMD isn't using Vermeer-X to fill in any significant part of their lineup; that being said, I think it's more likely that AMD will slot desktop Rembrandt into the 6c-and-below slots and reserve Raphael for 8c and higher.
 
DrMrLordX said:
I think it's more likely that AMD will slot desktop Rembrandt into the 6c-and-below slots and reserve Raphael for 8c and higher.
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Rembrandt Splinter may cater to the 6-core and below segment but then they can't match Intel in pricing for the iGPU-less F variants. So if they go this route, they will still leave plenty of profits on the table for Intel.

AMD Ryzen 7 6700G Desktop APU Gets "Rembrandt Splinter" Reference Platform While Mobile Ryzen 7 6800U/6800H Possibly Named "Lilac" Or "Mayan" (ownsnap.com)
 
moinmoin said:
It should be clear by now that AMD doesn't like to leave high margin profit on the table. Intel can get the quantity profit.
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Well they also suffer from much more limited production than Intel. It was one thing when they had nearly no market share and were struggling to sell there production. But they can't compete with Intel on high volume low margin, without turning a significant amount of their wafer allotment to these products. We are several years before AMD can up their allotment to the point where they can focus on low-end low margin components.

Heck even the 6500 isnt about a cheap desktop video card, it's about a mid level laptop graphics ala 1050/1060/3050, that AMD found they could actually sell on desktop for similar margins due to the desktop market. Otherwise they wouldn't have gimped it nearly as bad as they did.
 
Saw this on AMD’s site for the 5800x3d:

Max Memory Speed
2x1R DDR4-3200
2x2R DDR4-3200
4x1R DDR4-2933
4x2R DDR4-2667

First time I have ever seen them publish specific numbers.
 
Markfw said:
Except that I have 4 x 16 gig 3600 @ 3600 on multiple machines, so I don't believe those stats. However, at cl16, and some at 3200 cl14.
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I don't think it's the ceiling but the floor. That the chips, all of them are rated to be able to run at those limits in those configurations. But it doesn't mean you can't run with more ranks/dimms at higher speeds.


Edit: The major issue is going back to first and second gen (specially first) when chances are best case scenario we can hit the official ratings. We tend to pay too much attention to the memory ratings now.
 
Topweasel said:
Well they also suffer from much more limited production than Intel.
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Yes, Intel will continue the king in quantity (the push for IFS 2.0 is mainly for ensuring at least that). The trouble is, for its leading processes Intel naturally wants to be able to command big margins as well. That doesn't work as well if competition regularly outperforms your best output on several parameters, except quantity. Though it does appear TSMC gives Intel some breathing space with N3.
 
moinmoin said:
Though it does appear TSMC gives Intel some breathing space with N3.
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Assuming that Intel is solving with ease the challenges TSMC is having - or is able to, with ease, leapfrog TSMC to GAA.

While it is within realm of possibilities, I think it is unlikely.
 
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