Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

[Kedas]

Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"

 

[Ajay]

Sounds like one of those low core number with maximum cache and maximum speed SKUs for automated trading and special snowflake app environment where performance is critical and each of those cores has up to 96MB of L3 to themselves and shares that cache only with another core.

2P of 16C with 2C per CCD enabled with each CCD having 96MB of L3 => perfectly valid SKU for those traders.

EDIT: google by SKU returns price of $5700, so quite palatable for what this CPU gives to the right people.

Okay, now I get it. Forgot it was 2P also.

 

[DrMrLordX]

EDIT: google by SKU returns price of $5700, so quite palatable for what this CPU gives to the right people.

Where you seeing that? I see a higher-core count Milan-X CPU has been found at Zones by momomo.

 

[JoeRambo]

Where you seeing that? I see a higher-core count Milan-X CPU has been found at Zones by momomo.

Random google result:

EPYC 16-CORE 7373X :: Accessories and Cables :: DECtrader

 

[DrMrLordX]

Random google result:

Huh! Good catch. Available in January.

 

[nicalandia]

According to Igor's Lab, there is going to be a Threadripper without V-Cache after all.

Makes no sense to me to release it:
- this late
- at all
Chagall lives! AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5995WX and its 4 brothers 5975WX, 5965WX, 5955WX and 5945WX with technical data | Leak | igor'sLAB (igorslab.de)

Why? It's not like Intel has anything to counter it. I mean 64C/128T for Regular TR and 128C/256T for TR Pro. How on earth is Intel expected to compete with that for the intended market? Intel has nothing to counter ThreadRipper they were bullied out by massive cores counts on tiny 7nm chiplets.

 

[Joe NYC]

Don't be lazy, write both words: cognitive dissonance.

People get that when they find out they are wrong. Not when they are right.

Zen 3D arrived just when I predicted it would arrive, except into a different market (different from the intention Lisa Su originally stated).

Hard cash from server market probably outweighed the loss of AMD brand value for desktop buyers. I thought brand would be more valuable than the cash increment.

It's the X + 3 month crowd that should be experiencing cognitive dissonance when they see this banner ad:

 

[jpiniero]

Hard cash from server market probably outweighed the loss of AMD brand value for desktop buyers. I thought brand would be more valuable than the cash increment.

Alder Lake isn't even outselling Rocket Lake in DIY.

 

[Joe NYC]

Alder Lake isn't even outselling Rocket Lake in DIY.

Maybe the two things:
- Windows 11 is garbage
- DDR5 market availability is also kind of garbage

played role in not having to compete hard against Alder Lake and switching the Zen 3D dies to Milan-X.

 

[nicalandia]

Maybe the two things:
- Windows 11 is garbage
- DDR5 market availability is also kind of garbage

played role in not having to compete hard against Alder Lake and switching the Zen 3D dies to Milan-X.

Maybe? Those are the only thing keeping Alder Lake larger adoption rates. Windows 11 is utter Crap. DDR5 prices are off the chart with piss poor latencies

 

[Joe NYC]

Maybe? Those are the only thing keeping Alder Lake larger adoption rates. Windows 11 is utter Crap. DDR5 prices are off the chart with piss poor latencies

That's what I meant, that AMD did not have to compete hard against Alder Lake (with Zen3D) .

Because Windows 11 = garbage and prices of DDR5 are doing a fine job at suppressing Alder Lake.

 

[nicalandia]

That's what I meant, that AMD did not have to compete hard against Alder Lake (with Zen3D) .

Because Windows 11 = garbage and prices of DDR5 are doing a fine job at suppressing Alder Lake.

No kidding. Someone will be able to pop a 5900XT on a B350 board and Tight DDR4 sticks to match Alder Lake in gaming.

 

[Thibsie]

Alder Lake isn't even outselling Rocket Lake in DIY.

There's no chance at all it would have by now IMO

 

[Thibsie]

DDR5 prices are off the chart with piss poor latencies

As with any new ram standard.

 

[eek2121]

Maybe? Those are the only thing keeping Alder Lake larger adoption rates. Windows 11 is utter Crap. DDR5 prices are off the chart with piss poor latencies

Windows 11 works fine. I use it on my gaming rig without issue. It is definitely an improvement over Win10.

 

[nicalandia]

It is definitely an improvement over Win10.

You must be kidding..

 

[Insert_Nickname]

You must be kidding..

Been playing with it on my other HTPC. Technically, it's very good. Except for the usual array of bugs. But that's to be expected of a Microsoft OS. Always wait until the first "Service Pack". They call them Feature Updates now for some reason.

UI is absolutely horrible. Way too oversimplified. I've given up on trying to beat it into a usable shape, and use StartAllBack now.

 

[eek2121]

You must be kidding..

It was a bit buggy when first released, however Microsoft did a great job patching it up. The only real change I made was that I installed Start11 to bring back a Windows 7 style start menu. The settings app has received MUCH needed changes, classic console window has been replaced with Windows Terminal, which is much more useful, the taskbar has the option to center the task buttons and menu, a godsend for folks like me with 32:9 monitors, a few Windows 10's multiple personalities have been fixed (like taking screenshots or portions of screenshots), Windows updates, dark mode improvements, etc. All are better than Windows 10. We are getting native android app support and improved versions of the built-in apps as well. I also haven't had any issues in terms of stability (I've been running it for a while, and I've experienced no BSODs or even application crashes...I use my PC 11 hours a day). Far fewer warnings in the event log as well (compared to a clean install of Windows 10 last year)

Of course, I'm on a clean install. I can't speak to the stability or useability of someone who upgraded. My laptop remains on Windows 10 for now.

EDIT: Oh, and I turned off the animations, they were annoying.

 

[eek2121]

Been playing with it on my other HTPC. Technically, it's very good. Except for the usual array of bugs. But that's to be expected of a Microsoft OS. Always wait until the first "Service Pack". They call them Feature Updates now for some reason.

UI is absolutely horrible. Way too oversimplified. I've given up on trying to beat it into a usable shape, and use StartAllBack now.

Not here to turn this into a Windows 10 thread, but you are comparing the start menu of Windows 11 to Windows 10, when you should be looking at the REST of the product. Yes, the start menu isn't great. The rest of the system is.

 

[Bigos]

Could we not make this into a windows 11 thread and go back to discussing Zen3D?

Why even mentioning AlderLake+win11 in this thread again? Joe, please invent your own thread for the stuff you want to discuss, I look at this thread every day in search for Zen3D news...

 

[Joe NYC]

Could we not make this into a windows 11 thread and go back to discussing Zen3D?

Why even mentioning AlderLake+win11 in this thread again? Joe, please invent your own thread for the stuff you want to discuss, I look at this thread every day in search for Zen3D news...

Every post I made today discusses Zen 3D, while there are 5 to 10 posts that discuss ins and outs of Windows 11.

And you mention my name. Is there something wrong on your end to make a baseless accusation of me (who is discussing Zen3D) and overlook other posters who are actually engaging in activity you think should not take place on this thread (pros and cons of Windows 11)?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Not here to turn this into a Windows 10 thread, but you are comparing the start menu of Windows 11 to Windows 10, when you should be looking at the REST of the product. Yes, the start menu isn't great. The rest of the system is.

Okay, last post on this subject.

No, I don't just mean the start menu. I could live with that. I mean the whole UI, with the possible exception of the new Settings app. MS has just stripped out a lot of options for no reason what so ever. Can't even have task ungrouping in the start menu anymore. That alone kills the UI. Don't get me started on the new File Explorer. Right click menu is severely dumbed down, requiring an extra click to use add-on programs like f.x. 7zip. Completely unacceptable when doing actual work.

The new Windows Terminal is great though.

 

[JoeRambo]

*The arrival of Windows 11 coincided with transition from SKL to ADL for me, so i am biased by epic speedup coming from CPU and platform*

Aside from that i very happy with Windows 11. Two minor problems:

1) Need to move start menu to the left side of the screen, center is stupid and loses decades of muscle memory targetting the natural end of cursor in the corner, while it takes effort to hit it in center. A move from UX morons, for sure. Thanks god it is configurable.
2) Taskbar is bare. I mean right click menu contained launching task manager and so on and also drag and drop on taskbar icons is missing completely. Again, moronic decisions, i've heard they are fixing it in insider builds already.

Great OS otherwise, definately like it more than WIndows 10, looking forward to move all my devices to Win11 eventually. There are awesome things for prosumers in win11, some are available for Windows 10 as well, but take insider builds or effort to setup and install: WSL with gpu stuff, Windows Terminal, Android app support, platform security.

 

[fleshconsumed]

*The arrival of Windows 11 coincided with transition from SKL to ADL for me, so i am biased by epic speedup coming from CPU and platform*

Aside from that i very happy with Windows 11. Two minor problems:

1) Need to move start menu to the left side of the screen, center is stupid and loses decades of muscle memory targetting the natural end of cursor in the corner, while it takes effort to hit it in center. A move from UX morons, for sure. Thanks god it is configurable.
2) Taskbar is bare. I mean right click menu contained launching task manager and so on and also drag and drop on taskbar icons is missing completely. Again, moronic decisions, i've heard they are fixing it in insider builds already.

Great OS otherwise, definately like it more than WIndows 10, looking forward to move all my devices to Win11 eventually. There are awesome things for prosumers in win11, some are available for Windows 10 as well, but take insider builds or effort to setup and install: WSL with gpu stuff, Windows Terminal, Android app support, platform security.

You forgot right click context menus in file explorer. I feel like Win11 is Win8 redux. Win8 was a fine OS so long as you used one of the aftermarket solutions (ClassicShell and such) to bring start menu back. Same with Win11 - I could not believe just how much it regressed usability wise. Do microsoft engineers not use windows themselves?

 

[JoeRambo]

You forgot right click context menus in file explorer.

It's getting better, for example Winrar is already supporting the new context menu, and others will follow. Win 8 was horrible mess, driven by stupid mobile "enabling" UX trends and poorly executed. Heck, even 8.1 was unable to fix that disaster.
Windows 11 is in by far better state, perfectly usable in stock condition and can be improved with tweaks or extra start menu app.

 

[fleshconsumed]

It's getting better, for example Winrar is already supporting the new context menu, and others will follow. Win 8 was horrible mess, driven by stupid mobile "enabling" UX trends and poorly executed. Heck, even 8.1 was unable to fix that disaster.
Windows 11 is in by far better state, perfectly usable in stock condition and can be improved with tweaks or extra start menu app.

You can say Win11 is less of a disaster than Win8, but personally I'm in the same position as with Win8. Microsoft removed so much of the functionality that I use every day that it is unusable to me without hacking registry or using third party solutions such as StartAllBack. And being older now I'm much less inclined to tinker with base operating system just to fix all the stuff that's broken in it, I expect it to just work the way it's supposed to.