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Kedas

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Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"
 
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Saylick

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Some news from WCCFTECH...


I will show my self out
Dafuq was the point of that article? It tries to present itself as an official launch, but then when you dig in, all it did was just.. regurgitate their own speculation articles all over again?
 

eek2121

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wtftech is usually not garbage like that however highly not surprised
Yes, they are garbage. General rule of thumb, if you see it on WCCFTech or VideoCardz, you are guaranteed to find the same info on Twitter or elsewhere. I don't hate VideoCardz, mind you, grammar issues aside he doesn't fluff things much. He usually gets to the point and provides links. WCCFTech however? They are little more than a content farm. They take a rumor from 1 of 3 sources and turn it into a thousand-word article. Rather than linking to the actual sources, they often link to their own content to drop bounce rates and increase ad revenue. Most of the content comes from twitter, some of it comes from chiphell, and some of it comes from reddit. All of it I see well before a regurgitated article from them. In the past they were known to make up stuff, then manipulate or change articles after that weren't accurate. AMD mistakenly put them up on the pedestal a few years ago. I tell everyone I know to stay away from them. They have very little original editorial content that isn't centered around making a buck.

Ironically, these very forums have given me most of the info before it lands on WCCFTech or VideoCardz. I've been rather surprised as of late TBH.

Please note that I am a bit jaded regarding these thoughts, however. I know what the game was/is regarding Google SEO and what it takes to reach a top rank on page one. I also know that WCCFTech has used every trick in the book to do that, and for many search terms they have succeeded. Part of that can actually be blamed on Twitter not allowing their site to be indexed.

Please note that I also use the same type of tricks on my websites (with absolute success), so I cannot be held blameless. At least most of my spelling is right and my grammar is correct.

General rule of thumb, if you want to know the rumors, I can send you a list of the people I follow. Ironically @uzzi38 is (cheers @uzzi38! :D 🍻) one of them, since he usually picks up on these rumors quite quickly. As a bonus, instead of reading a 500-1500 word article, the tweets are straight to the point.
 

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Yes, they are garbage. General rule of thumb, if you see it on WCCFTech or VideoCardz, you are guaranteed to find the same info on Twitter or elsewhere. I don't hate VideoCardz, mind you, grammar issues aside he doesn't fluff things much. He usually gets to the point and provides links. WCCFTech however? They are little more than a content farm. They take a rumor from 1 of 3 sources and turn it into a thousand-word article. Rather than linking to the actual sources, they often link to their own content to drop bounce rates and increase ad revenue. Most of the content comes from twitter, some of it comes from chiphell, and some of it comes from reddit. All of it I see well before a regurgitated article from them. In the past they were known to make up stuff, then manipulate or change articles after that weren't accurate. AMD mistakenly put them up on the pedestal a few years ago. I tell everyone I know to stay away from them. They have very little original editorial content that isn't centered around making a buck.

Ironically, these very forums have given me most of the info before it lands on WCCFTech or VideoCardz. I've been rather surprised as of late TBH.

Please note that I am a bit jaded regarding these thoughts, however. I know what the game was/is regarding Google SEO and what it takes to reach a top rank on page one. I also know that WCCFTech has used every trick in the book to do that, and for many search terms they have succeeded. Part of that can actually be blamed on Twitter not allowing their site to be indexed.

Please note that I also use the same type of tricks on my websites (with absolute success), so I cannot be held blameless. At least most of my spelling is right and my grammar is correct.

General rule of thumb, if you want to know the rumors, I can send you a list of the people I follow. Ironically @uzzi38 is (cheers @uzzi38! :D 🍻) one of them, since he usually picks up on these rumors quite quickly. As a bonus, instead of reading a 500-1500 word article, the tweets are straight to the point.
I don't think AMD put them on a pedestal.

You might be mistakenly remembering, (as difficult as this seems to imagine), when Intel quoted in one of their official slides, a WCCFTech article criticizing the original Ryzen as glued chips.

I remember, because I said so here and laughed at Intel's utter desperation at the time to use WCCFTech as an authoritative source.
 

Thibsie

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I don't think AMD put them on a pedestal.

You might be mistakenly remembering, (as difficult as this seems to imagine), when Intel quoted in one of their official slides, a WCCFTech article criticizing the original Ryzen as glued chips.

I remember, because I said so here and laughed at Intel's utter desperation at the time to use WCCFTech as an authoritative source.

That's indeed beyond despair.
 

eek2121

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I don't think AMD put them on a pedestal.

You might be mistakenly remembering, (as difficult as this seems to imagine), when Intel quoted in one of their official slides, a WCCFTech article criticizing the original Ryzen as glued chips.

I remember, because I said so here and laughed at Intel's utter desperation at the time to use WCCFTech as an authoritative source.

One of AMD’s launches used a quote from them. Think it was Zen 1 or Zen+.
 
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It seems more like there was money involved in putting wccftech's link on that slide. Intel paid them to write favorable articles for their CPUs for a while and wccftech agreed on condition that their link would be on that slide. OR someone just got lazy.
 

DrMrLordX

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Or people could just believe AMD when they said there is nothing really improved in B2 from functional perspective?

I guess? Half of that info seems to indicate that there really is something improved in B2, but the other half seems to indicate that it's just a firmware update (which means even older B0 systems might benefit).
 
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Saylick

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Man, eff WCCFTech. I'm a bit tipsy from drinking beer all day watching football, but I DGAF so here's what I think:

Khalid Moammer: Old hardware author who was notorious for making up BS rumor/leak articles and then got caught with changing his article after the fact. The guy had no ethics whatsoever, and would constantly make up BS claims without any backing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6bih5e/after_vs_before_wccftech_changes_articles_on_amd/
The fact that WCCFTech has a lot less BS articles today is largely due to this author being gone. Good riddance.

Usman Pirzada: To give him credit, I honestly think that he wants WCCFTech to be a reputable tech website. However, that dream is cut short largely due to his own ineptitude with respect to understanding the technical aspects of the industry. He loves writing editorials with controversial takes, the most recent being his article on how comparisons between Apple's M1 and modern x86 processors is "unfair": https://wccftech.com/why-apple-m1-single-core-comparisons-are-fundamentally-flawed-with-benchmarks/
The dude honestly does not understand a lot of technical aspects but he tries to. He's your typical armchair semiconductor analyst and he has a megaphone due to his position at WCCFTech, but ends up being corrected by the community and ends up getting butthurt by the community, including our own Andrei: He also wrote that article about Lisa Su considering a position with another company, which Lisa shot down almost immediately via Twitter, and he got a lot of flak for it, including death threats. My take: you play with fire, you best be prepare to get burned.

That leaves the last author, good ol' Hassan Mujtaba. If Usman was on the quality end of the quality vs quantity scale (generous take), then Hassan is definitely on the quantity side.

Most recently, what the heck was this BS article about? Does he have any standards as to what he'll publish? Clearly not. This article came out of nowhere, as if he just needed to hit a quota and just made it up on the spot to hit said quota.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000...with-64-mb-l3-cache-moved-to-vertical-stacks/
It's such obvious BS but yet it gets posted. I could have made it up and sent it into WCCFTech and they wouldn't blink and eye before publishing. Oh wait, that's actually what happened one time:
Dude got caught just pushing out a fake rumor that someone made up. He literally does not learn his lesson. The guy literally has no QA/QC filter, will write an article about any rumor regardless of how unlikely it is.

Another thing I dispise: they'll literally publish rumors about an unreleased product yet have one of their authors doing a product review behind the scenes on the same exact product. I'm guessing they think it's okay to do so because they think as long as the leak comes from another website, it's okay for them to just report on the leak. I find this highly unethical. Like, you'll never see this anywhere else. If you have the actual product in your hands, that should not give you an excuse to propagate leaks just because someone leaked it before you published your formal review.

As for the comment section, yeah it's literally cancer. Why is it cancer? Because they won't moderate it. Why won't they moderate it? Because there's too much money to be had to having a toxic community that jumps from article to article to continue the flame war. It literally would hurt then financially to moderate their comment section. They claim to have one of the most commented tech websites as if it were a bragging right. I wonder why... Yeah, it's clearly obvious why. They simply make more money riling up the fanboys than to keep their comments section civil.
 

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The "glue" quote was from the same presentation that @maddie posted the slide from.

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Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/235092/...cessors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck
 

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jamescox

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I can't remember this, but obviously I might have missed it.

This does exist however.

Note the 2nd link in the notes & the caption box quote.
View attachment 56744
That is a great graph. Intel using wccftech in official material is ridiculous. It would be interesting to plot the real performance vs. the intel estimated. Naples did have some deficiencies, but Rome and Milan came along pretty quickly and fixed a lot of them.
 

jamescox

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Man, eff WCCFTech. I'm a bit tipsy from drinking beer all day watching football, but I DGAF so here's what I think:

Khalid Moammer: Old hardware author who was notorious for making up BS rumor/leak articles and then got caught with changing his article after the fact. The guy had no ethics whatsoever, and would constantly make up BS claims without any backing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6bih5e/after_vs_before_wccftech_changes_articles_on_amd/
The fact that WCCFTech has a lot less BS articles today is largely due to this author being gone. Good riddance.

Usman Pirzada: To give him credit, I honestly think that he wants WCCFTech to be a reputable tech website. However, that dream is cut short largely due to his own ineptitude with respect to understanding the technical aspects of the industry. He loves writing editorials with controversial takes, the most recent being his article on how comparisons between Apple's M1 and modern x86 processors is "unfair": https://wccftech.com/why-apple-m1-single-core-comparisons-are-fundamentally-flawed-with-benchmarks/
The dude honestly does not understand a lot of technical aspects but he tries to. He's your typical armchair semiconductor analyst and he has a megaphone due to his position at WCCFTech, but ends up being corrected by the community and ends up getting butthurt by the community, including our own Andrei: He also wrote that article about Lisa Su considering a position with another company, which Lisa shot down almost immediately via Twitter, and he got a lot of flak for it, including death threats. My take: you play with fire, you best be prepare to get burned.

That leaves the last author, good ol' Hassan Mujtaba. If Usman was on the quality end of the quality vs quantity scale (generous take), then Hassan is definitely on the quantity side.

Most recently, what the heck was this BS article about? Does he have any standards as to what he'll publish? Clearly not. This article came out of nowhere, as if he just needed to hit a quota and just made it up on the spot to hit said quota.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000...with-64-mb-l3-cache-moved-to-vertical-stacks/
It's such obvious BS but yet it gets posted. I could have made it up and sent it into WCCFTech and they wouldn't blink and eye before publishing. Oh wait, that's actually what happened one time:
Dude got caught just pushing out a fake rumor that someone made up. He literally does not learn his lesson. The guy literally has no QA/QC filter, will write an article about any rumor regardless of how unlikely it is.

Another thing I dispise: they'll literally publish rumors about an unreleased product yet have one of their authors doing a product review behind the scenes on the same exact product. I'm guessing they think it's okay to do so because they think as long as the leak comes from another website, it's okay for them to just report on the leak. I find this highly unethical. Like, you'll never see this anywhere else. If you have the actual product in your hands, that should not give you an excuse to propagate leaks just because someone leaked it before you published your formal review.

As for the comment section, yeah it's literally cancer. Why is it cancer? Because they won't moderate it. Why won't they moderate it? Because there's too much money to be had to having a toxic community that jumps from article to article to continue the flame war. It literally would hurt then financially to moderate their comment section. They claim to have one of the most commented tech websites as if it were a bragging right. I wonder why... Yeah, it's clearly obvious why. They simply make more money riling up the fanboys than to keep their comments section civil.
They are guilty of the same thing that a lot of YouTube channels are. I don’t know how many videos I have seen where it looks like there is new info and then it is 20 minutes of rehashed, known information and maybe a little speculation. I have mostly just stopped watching any of the YouTube rumor type videos. I will wait until they have product in hand.

We have been discussing this stuff forever and we still seem to not really have that much info. AMD seems to be able to keep tight control over the information these days. There seems like a lot more intel “leaks” that I assume are deliberate attempts by intel to stay in the news cycle.