Question 64GB on AM4 Platform?

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extide

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So those new 32GB Samsung sticks (using 16Gb M-Die) seem interesting. I will probably be buying a set of them when I do my Ryzen 3900x build here in a little bit, although I am kinda considering waiting a little bit on my build to see if a few more 32GB UDIMM kits come out, though, including ones with the Micron chips. Unfortunately there is not very much info out there on these yet so it's hard to know where you would end up in terms of Mhz/Cas if you went with them right now.

Buildzoid got them to 3600 pretty easily.
 

thigobr

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extide

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Nice, that's quite a bit cheaper. I think I'm going to hold off for just a little bit longer to see how this plays out. Will definitely go in for a set sooner or later though.
 

Atif

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So after reading some reviews of the new Ryzens, I am definitely excited at the prospect of picking up whatever new Threadripper they announce based on the new Zen core (in the future). Until then, I think we will sit tight with the 1950X and X399 Taichi we picked up a few weeks ago at steep clearance discounts.

Moreover, I think getting four sticks of dual sided dual rank RAM to 3133 in a quad channel config would be about as good as what we would've been able to eke out even on a new X570 board.

This was the final build:

https://leenabutt.com/halal-recipes/leens-mean-dream-machine

Thank you all again for your input and support!
 

Atif

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I think this particular kit might be a bad idea on an AMD platform machine. G.SKILL makes it seem as though it only works on a handful of Z390 motherboards. Would be great to see them update the QVL list or sell something similar that works on the AMD platform, for sure!
 

Atif

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That's EXACTLY what AVADirect is selling in the product link shared by Fanatical Meat above. Thank you for the review, was curious to see if there was any performance impact as a result of this unique IC configuration.
 

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I learned a little bit about older AM4 boards looking at x570. There are at least two types of DIMM trace layouts that I've identified - "daisy chain" and "T-topology". Apparently T-topology is better if you're going to try to populate all four DIMM slots. I'm not sure if that MSI board uses T-topology. You might be able to do some research and find out.

As to whether it will work @ DDR4-3000? I can't say. I would say "no" with Summit Ridge or Pinnacle Ridge. Matisse is a big question mark. It has twice the RAM capacity as the older chips, so if I had to guess, I would say you would run about the same as 2x16GB on Summit Ridge/Pinnacle Ridge. Maybe DDR4-3000 would be doable on a T-topology board.

So I don't exactly have an answer to this. I have a 1700x, a pretty recent one most likely since I bought it last fall I think.

I have a 2x32GB crucial ballistix kit. I also have a 2x8gb b-die kit.

I was running what tests I could before deciding if even buying another 32gb kit made sense.

A few interesting things:
If I install the 32GB ram in the other set of slots, it complains that I'm using unoptimal slots on boot and tells me to move them. And its not kidding. I ignored it and set XMP profiles and it wouldn't even boot in that configuration.

I thought that suggested I was already topped out but it occurred to me yesterday (when I was itching to buy more ram I don't particularly need) that I hadn't exhausted my configuration options. With the ram in the same slots that wouldn't boot I also installed my b-die kit in the primary slots. Cleared cmos and booted. Boots up at 2400 1.2v which was already better than I was expecting. I ran memtest for a half an hour but that's nothing.

Then I set xmp 3000 and ran memtest. Immediate errors. Damn I thought. I went to lower the timings and found of course it was using the b-die XMP profiles. I was surprised it booted there to be honest. So I used the memory setter to get something closer to expected. Cutting to the chase here, I got memtest to pass with 48GB in there at 2933mhz, cl16. At 3066 it gets errors. This is with 1.36v. That's not to bad. Not quite what I want but pretty damn close and probably about as good as you can expect from Ryzen 1.

I suppose what I will do now is wait for a 2x8gb sale on more ballistix and buy that instead of another 2x16gb kit. Then see if I can replicate my results. I think this will be easier to achieve than if I tried to go 64GB (DR+DR versus DR+SR), and the test I could run kind of bears that out. Seems like kind of a waste to run a bdie kit at 2933/cl116.

I never did figure out of this is a t-topology or daisy chain motherboard.
 

thigobr

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First quick and dirt results aren't too promising... I can boot at 3200MHz with 1.35V but only with really loose timings (CL18-20-20, high TRFC and TRC). CL16 is unattainable at least before crossing 1.35V VDIMM. I was expecting a good regression compared to my B-Die kit but not that much!

I think I will end up getting a good 3200MHz 2x16GB Samsung B-Die or Micron E-DIe and settling with 32GB for now... Maybe with A-Die ICs or DDR5 we can have a better capacity/speed tradeoff.