64 Core Threadripper 3 to cost $3,800(Opinion)

[nicalandia]

First Gen Epyc 7551P was $2100 at launch, The 2990Wx was $1,799 at launch,

How much do you think the new Top TR3 will be? going by the difference between First Gen Epyc(7551P) and TR2(2990wx) and current Epyc Rome 7702P price of $4,425 I would gess it would be close to $3,800

What do you think?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think that you had better change your thread title to "Opinion", before the Mods see this thread.

Posting things with no basis in fact, as "facts" on thread titles, is a no-no.

 

[Hitman928]

I think that you had better change your thread title to "Opinion", before the Mods see this thread.

Posting things with no basis in fact, as "facts" on thread titles, is a no-no.

Agreed.

To answer OP, I'd be surprised if it topped $3000 (assuming a 64 core version even releases).

 

[zinfamous]

I think that you had better change your thread title to "Opinion", before the Mods see this thread.

Posting things with no basis in fact, as "facts" on thread titles, is a no-no.

yeah thread title is pure FUD at this point and needs an edit. It's clickbait without it's own trashy clickbait article. ...so clickbait posting. The lowest of the low of internet trash.

 

[nicalandia]

To answer OP, I'd be surprised if it topped $3000 (assuming a 64 core version even releases).

I believe due to price we will not see a 64 core parts at least not at the start, so I guess that due to price and lack of competition from Intel HEDT we will only see 48 core parts

 

[Thunder 57]

I think AMD should pull an Intel and not launch a 64 core TR. Start with 48. Maybe 64 cores next year. Rake in some EPYC money first.

 

[zinfamous]

Agreed.

To answer OP, I'd be surprised if it topped $3000 (assuming a 64 core version even releases).

as to this, I wouldn't be too surprised if we see a big price jump in the top TR chip for Zen2. AMD is in a spectacular position right now, pretty much unlike anything ever in their history, and as long as they don't cannibalize their own offerings at the bottom of the Rome stack, (not that this is really the same hardware or market anyway, right?), they should go for the yuge margins with TR for this generation. I would think minimum of $2500-2700, with "super value sweet spot" offering, basically competing as the next 2990WX at similar price of ~$1900.

 

[nicalandia]

I think AMD should pull an Intel and not launch a 64 core TR. Start with 48. Maybe 64 cores next year. Rake in some EPYC money first.

They have been doing that with Ryzen 3900X and they are flying off the shelves, as 3950X will be released on September.

 

[Markfw]

Agreed.

To answer OP, I'd be surprised if it topped $3000 (assuming a 64 core version even releases).

I agree. I think $2500-3000

 

[Abwx]

1.5x the core count x 1.15 IPC x 1.1 frequency = 1.9x the price of a 2990WX for a 48C Rome, likely the bigger SKU for TR.

 

[nicalandia]

I agree. I think $2500-3000

Really? That much computer power for that amount? The 64 core EPYC parts are expected to fight off Xeon Platinum 9200 processor that are worth 20-50 grand a pop, how on earth is Intel going to compete in HEDT? How much lower can they price the Desktop 56 core price?

 

[Markfw]

Really? That much computer power for that amount? The 64 core EPYC parts are expected to fight off Xeon Platinum 9200 processor that are worth 20-50 grand a pop, how on earth is Intel going to compete in HEDT? How much lower can they price the Desktop 56 core price?

Intel does not seem to care about AMD, they think they can do no wrong. They think their name is a houseold word (it sort of is) Have they dropped 9900k prices when the 3800x came out ? No. Its still king of gaming (most of the time) by a very slim margin, so they go on that.

Threadripper just kills their HEDT offerings most of the time, but the TR 3000 series will make it all the time (except avx512, very niece of a niece), because its Rome with 4 channel memory, NOT like the 2990wx thats memory handicapped. I paid $2700 for 2 2990wx's and thats getting good deals. So I figure thats about whjat the market will bear. $2700-3000.

 

[Thunder 57]

They have been doing that with Ryzen 3900X and they are flying off the shelves, as 3950X will be released on September.

Indeed. I think they should pull the same strategy with TR. They are flying off the shelves at higher prices and that is what AMD needs. Market share and margins.

 

[dnavas]

64/128 Epyc 7742 is priced at $6950. The 7601 was $4200. Assuming the pricing is basically twice the cores at 5/3 the price, that's 5/3 * $1799, or $3000.

 

[nicalandia]

64/128 Epyc 7742 is priced at $6950. The 7601 was $4200. Assuming the pricing is basically twice the cores at 5/3 the price, that's 5/3 * $1799, or $3000.

That's a better way to calculate the price. Thanks

 

[swilli89]

64/128 Epyc 7742 is priced at $6950. The 7601 was $4200. Assuming the pricing is basically twice the cores at 5/3 the price, that's 5/3 * $1799, or $3000.

Their sales strategists won't use a formula like this, but I think it gives us a great indication!

Intel does not seem to care about AMD, they think they can do no wrong. They think their name is a houseold word (it sort of is) Have they dropped 9900k prices when the 3800x came out ? No. Its still king of gaming (most of the time) by a very slim margin, so they go on that.

Threadripper just kills their HEDT offerings most of the time, but the TR 3000 series will make it all the time (except avx512, very niece of a niece), because its Rome with 4 channel memory, NOT like the 2990wx thats memory handicapped. I paid $2700 for 2 2990wx's and thats getting good deals. So I figure thats about whjat the market will bear. $2700-3000.

On the contrary! https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...erver-market-share-to-amds-epyc-through-2018/

I believe Intel most definitely cares about AMD at this point. Now when it comes to OEM/Desktop you have a fair point.

 

[Markfw]

Their sales strategists won't use a formula like this, but I think it gives us a great indication!


On the contrary! https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...erver-market-share-to-amds-epyc-through-2018/

I believe Intel most definitely cares about AMD at this point. Now when it comes to OEM/Desktop you have a fair point.

Thats over a year old, and they are not lowering prices, even with Rome now out.

 

[jpiniero]

Thats over a year old, and they are not lowering prices, even with Rome now out.

The fake prices for Xeons aren't getting cut... the real prices are.

As for HEDT, I have to figure Intel has basically lost interest in HEDT. Cascade Lake-X is still coming out, but that might be the last for a couple years.

 

[nicalandia]

The fake prices for Xeons aren't getting cut... the real prices are.

Isn't that illegal?

 

[jpiniero]

Isn't that illegal?

No, Intel just can't refuse to give discounts because they buy competitor products.

 

[swilli89]

Thats over a year old, and they are not lowering prices, even with Rome now out.

Well if a year ago AMD was causing conern at Intel with EPYC 1.0, wouldn't they be more, not less concerned at this point?

 

[Markfw]

Well if a year ago AMD was causing conern at Intel with EPYC 1.0, wouldn't they be more, not less concerned at this point?

You would think so, but no pricing evidence of that yet !

 

[darkswordsman17]

Intel does not seem to care about AMD, they think they can do no wrong. They think their name is a houseold word (it sort of is) Have they dropped 9900k prices when the 3800x came out ? No. Its still king of gaming (most of the time) by a very slim margin, so they go on that.

Threadripper just kills their HEDT offerings most of the time, but the TR 3000 series will make it all the time (except avx512, very niece of a niece), because its Rome with 4 channel memory, NOT like the 2990wx thats memory handicapped. I paid $2700 for 2 2990wx's and thats getting good deals. So I figure thats about whjat the market will bear. $2700-3000.

I don't think Threadripper is even doing much at all with regards to hurting Intel's HEDT stuff as most of that is OEM workstations and AMD I don't think has any of that market (which is absurd, and yet another reason I think AMD needs to shift their entire company into making complete platforms since OEMs consistently drag their feet and then half-butt them).

AMD could be cleaning up in workstations with Threadripper, but they don't even have a single OEM actually making such a thing (think one of the gaming focused brands might have one they claim is a workstation, but I doubt it has ECC and lots of other aspects that companies rely on OEMs to provide).

Its one of the reasons I wish AMD would make a high end unified platform. I really don't think most companies are doing much add in cards (they might upgrade GPU, but I'm not even sure they do that versus just upgrading the whole system; and fewer still use any other expansion cards). Which AMD would just need to make the platform and then let OEMs handle the support (which is where most of the money in that market is I believe anyway). They can sell it both in the gaming market and pro markets, where it'd be good for both, while reducing the cost for OEMs (as well as reducing their ability to pull shenanigans and cheap out in stupid ways). AMD should be able to make just as much if not more money from doing that as they do normal sales, plus it'd make for an overall better product for the end users, which will bolster AMD as a brand. Plus it'd give developers target platforms which should make support better (both easier, as well as longer term it means less variables for them to have to consider).

 

[Yotsugi]

64c would be stupidly impractical on HEDT.
Zen2 parts have a higher frequency ceiling, so 32c but without NUMA wonkiness and with way more clocks is the definitive way to go.

Thats over a year old, and they are not lowering prices, even with Rome now out.

Nuh-uh, list pricing is irrelevant.
Intel is doing some agressive price cuts and have just beefed up the midrange in Cascade.
Rome kind of makes it all a moot point, but they're still trying!

 

[swilli89]

64c would be stupidly impractical on HEDT.
Zen2 parts have a higher frequency ceiling, so 32c but without NUMA wonkiness and with way more clocks is the definitive way to go.

Nuh-uh, list pricing is irrelevant.
Intel is doing some agressive price cuts and have just beefed up the midrange in Cascade.
Rome kind of makes it all a moot point, but they're still trying!

Excellent point. I can promise you that they have a seperate pricing agreement with at least their top-10 customers, possibly many more. Especially now with the option to go completely EPYC, the large customers suddenly have even more leverage.