Information without appropriate context can easily be misinformation, I'd hope you would agree with that statement.
repoman0
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The appropriate context was there in the post. He even said something about extending all the way up to super high frequency cosmic rays. Can’t believe I’m even bothering to argue this.
Because you're far more interested in being right on an internet forum than delivering appropriate information. A broad statement was made without appropriate context, it got scrutinized, and more appropriate information has now been stated in this thread. That's literally the purpose of a healthy forum, past inane bullshit.
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Let's bring the context back, shall we?
Let's see where he intentionally begins bringing in ionizing radiation into a discussion of non-ionizing radiation. Shall we?
Yesterday at 7:45 PM
He says:Amused said:
This.
The magical thinking surrounding electromagnetic radiation is simply astounding. Even here on a tech site to see the same mythical thinking that exists on alt-med and conspiracy sites is amazing to me.
For all these claims, no one can seem to replicate ANY results except HEATING. Because just as with all other forms of non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation we use daily and FEEL the heat from, radio waves can only hurt you if they burn you.
To date ALL directed energy weapons using radio waves are effective by HEATING the skin of the target. That's it. Heat.
Frequency is largely irrelevant, wattage is. And with enough wattage and focus ALL non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation, from radio waves, to infra red, to visible light will BURN you. That's it. Exactly how it heats and burns you is dependent on frequency, but that's the only harm it can do. Heat and burn you.
And magnetic fields you cannot feel are harmless too. I mean, we're delving into the quack magnetic bracelet territory here.
We'll stand in front of an electric stove/oven/heater giving off EMR we can FEEL as heat and think nothing of it, yet we have magical thinking about radio waves we cannot feel.
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A review of <em>Are Electromagnetic Fields Making Me Ill? How Electricity and Magnetism Affect Our Health</em>, by Bradley J. Roth
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Frequency IS a big deal with EM radiation. The higher the frequency the more it penetrates, both structures and bodies. Now, an enemy combatant has their choice of frequencies from long wavelength radio waves all the way up to cosmic ray super high frequencies. Those, BTW, are capable of causing cancer because they ARE ionizing, as is some of the EM radiation (gamma rays) coming off of nuclear reactions.
Did you watch the 60 minute stories?
You poo poo magnetic fields, but there are studies proving that sustained pulsing magnetic fields of sufficient intensity and duration are harmful. The threshold is generally 2 milligauss. If you are exposed to that for hours you are not doing yourself any favors. You don't want your house where you suffer that all the time, e.g. under high voltage transmission cables, or perhaps near large transformers.
Deleterious effects from EM radiation (and there are all kinds and from multifarious sources where people live and work and travel) are not well understood. Their effects on humans are not easy to study.
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So why would you introduce ionizing radiation into a discussion about non-ionizing radiation in cases where ionizing radiation had been ruled out and ONLY RF technology is suspected?
Why would you introduce ionizing radiation except to confound the fact that penetration is progressively less as frequency rises in NON-ionizing radiation?
Why would you not readily admit the ONLY valid, verifiable harmful effects from non-ionizing EM is heat. The rest is suggested and largely debunked.
repoman0
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I’m concerned with physics. If the post that’s now quoted right above here didn’t have enough context .. not sure what to say about that. It was pretty obvious to me.
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Does the story this thread is based on have anything to do with, or suggest the use of, ionizing radiation?
I'm concerned with physics too, but I'm also concerned with information. Information needs to be delivered with context relevant to a layman, not to someone with a PHD in the subject matter. Saying a 10SV dose of radiation isn't concerning because it'll kill you slower than a bear (but leaving the bear part out) isn't particularly useful, and it's wrong without the context.
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What is more, this is evidently the result of a concerted intense effort to develop a difficult to detect but effective weapon. Perhaps they cunningly, intentionally scaled it down so as to make people uncertain if it's really happening. Before you poo poo and disregard this, watch the 60 Minutes pieces.
FBI apparently reporting symptoms consistent with Havana syndrome.
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cytg111
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I am fairly certain there is petabytes+ of data on record in form of scans, x-rays, mri's, phd's, so on and so forth, that documents the effects of stress on the human brain.
I have to assume that these cases have characteristics that disqualifies them from the above set of data.
I mean. I *have* to assume that, otherwise I might as well begin to believe in jewish space lasers.
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I think watching the 60 Minutes treatment would move an honest and discerning person beyond the notion that the complaints' source is stress.
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cytg111
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I just assumed that since the Cuba incident, anything else, specially Russia, would blow up in the media...
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I think Russia is too busy in Ukraine and trying to get documents from Trump to bother with harassing FBI field agents. I also think that targeting low-level targets like individual agents, isn't worth the risk of getting caught.
Stress is amazingly powerful and it affects everyone differently. My own experiences with extreme stress include dizziness, vomiting, fatigue, sweats and headaches and I have never been in a war zone or the target of violence. For now I think occums razor still suggests stress, but if there is good evidence, like a smoking (radiation/microwave) gun, I am willing to change my mind.
Stress is amazingly powerful and it affects everyone differently. My own experiences with extreme stress include dizziness, vomiting, fatigue, sweats and headaches and I have never been in a war zone or the target of violence. For now I think occums razor still suggests stress, but if there is good evidence, like a smoking (radiation/microwave) gun, I am willing to change my mind.
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Once again, the government changes it's mind. Directed energy or hypochondria. And on another matter from the wild or from the lab.
www.salon.com
Exclusive: "Havana syndrome" could be caused by energy weapon
Full intelligence report contradicts official claims that strange cluster of ailments wasn't caused by attack
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