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60 dead in Baghdad, copter down

sMiLeYz

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But they still got their freedom right?

Surge of Baghdad Violence Leaves 60 Dead
By ROBERT H. REID

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Insurgents hammered central Baghdad on Sunday with one of their most intense mortar and rocket barrages ever in the heart of the capital, heralding a day of violence that killed nearly 60 people nationwide as security appeared to spiral out of control.

At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.

The dead from the helicopter strike included Arab television reporter Mazen al-Tumeizi, who screamed, ``I'm dying, I'm dying,'' as a cameraman recorded the chaotic scene. An Iraqi cameraman working for the Reuters news agency and an Iraqi freelance photographer for Getty Images were wounded.

Maimed and lifeless bodies of young men and boys lay in the street as the stricken U.S. vehicle was engulfed in flames and thick black smoke.


Across the country, the death toll Sunday was at least 59, according to figures from the Health Ministry, the Multinational Force command and local authorities.


Nearly 200 people were wounded, more than half of them in Baghdad.


Strong detonations again shook the center of Baghdad after sunset Sunday. There were no reports of damage or casualties.


As the early morning barrage was under way in Baghdad, insurgents attacked the infamous U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison on the city's western edge. Several mortar shells exploded outside the complex about 6 a.m., and about 20 minutes later a pickup truck packed with artillery shells crashed through the chain-link fence on the outer perimeter.


Marines opened fire and the vehicle exploded before reaching the main security wall, killing the driver, a military statement said. Seven people were later arrested, it said.


Tawhid and Jihad, a militant group linked to al-Qaida and led by Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, said it carried out Sunday's coordinated campaign of violence in Baghdad.


In an Internet statement, the group boasted that it holds the initiative in the Iraqi insurgency and possesses the ``capability to surprise the enemy and hit its strategic installations at the right time and place.''


The statement's source could not be verified, but the scope and intensity of the attacks raised serious questions about the state of security, which has deteriorated since the June 28 transfer of sovereignty to the interim Iraqi government.


In Basra, interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi vowed to pursue insurgents.


``We are adamant that we are going to defeat terrorism,'' Allawi said. ``We intend to confront them and bring them to justice.''


Interior Minister Falah Hassan al-Naqib suggested the attacks could be in response to a government operation against the Adel neighborhood of west Baghdad, an insurgent hotbed. However, the scope of the attacks suggested they had been in preparation for some time.


Secretary of State Colin Powell acknowledged that the U.S.-led coalition faced a ``difficult time'' in Iraq but said the United States had a plan to quash the insurgency and bring those areas under control in time for national elections in January.


The insurgency ``will be brought under control,'' Powell said on NBC's ``Meet The Press.'' ``It's not an impossible task.''


Near Hillah, 60 miles south of Baghdad, three Polish soldiers were killed in an ambush - raising Poland's death toll in Iraq to 13 - and a bomb killed three Iraqi national guardsmen. A district police chief was killed in an attack in Baghdad's Yarmouk neighborhood.


Meanwhile, 10 people were killed and 40 were wounded in fighting in the insurgent stronghold of Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, said hospital director Abdel Munim Aftan.


Three American soldiers and two Iraqi civilians were wounded Sunday when a suicide driver blew up his car next to a U.S. Army convoy on the road to Baghdad International Airport, American sources said. The vehicle was one of seven car bombs reported Sunday in Iraq, two of which did not explode, the sources said.


Powell did not elaborate on the plan for addressing the insurgency, but senior U.S. officials in Iraq have spoken of a multi-pronged strategy involving overtures to tribal leaders, economic incentives and the use of force as the best way to prevail against the resistance.


Rockets and mortar shells began raining down before dawn on the Green Zone, headquarters of the Iraqi government and its U.S. allies, and other parts of central Baghdad. As the shelling continued after sunrise, U.S. troops backed by armored vehicles moved into the streets searching for the attackers.


A Bradley fighting vehicle rushing down Haifa Street, a major traffic artery near the Green Zone, to assist a U.S. patrol was disabled by a car bomb about 6:50 a.m., the U.S. military said. Two Bradley crewmen were wounded by the bomb and four were injured by grenades and small-arms fire as they fled the vehicle, the military said.


Jubilant fighters, curiosity seekers and young boys swarmed around the burning vehicle, dancing, cheering and hurling firebombs. Several young men placed a black and yellow banner of Tawhid and Jihad in the barrel of the Bradley's main gun.


Fearing the crowd would loot the vehicle of weapons and ammunition, American soldiers called for air support, and as U.S. Army helicopters flew over the burning Bradley ``they received small-arms fire from the insurgents in vicinity of the vehicle,'' a military statement said.


The helicopters ``fired upon the anti-Iraqi forces and the Bradley preventing the loss of sensitive equipment and weapons,'' the statement said. ``An unknown number of insurgents and Iraq civilians were wounded or killed in the incident.''


Iraq's Health Ministry said 13 people were killed and 61 wounded on Haifa Street, though it was unclear how many were killed by the helicopter strike. Scattered shoes, pools of fresh blood and debris littered the street.


``We were standing near the destroyed vehicle when the helicopter started firing, so we rushed to safety in a nearby building,'' Alaa Hassan, 24, said from his hospital bed. ``I went back to the scene to help the wounded people when the helicopter fired again and I was hit in the chest.''


Twelve more people died and 41 were injured in other violence across the city Sunday, the Health Ministry said.


Elsewhere, gunmen attacked a group of policemen in the northern city of Mosul, killing one and wounding seven, police said.


Also in the north, three security officers were wounded when attackers opened fire as they stood guard near the Dibis oilfields northeast of Kirkuk. Two others were injured in a drive-by shooting west of Kirkuk, said Maj. Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin of the Iraqi national guard.


Security officers guarding the oil-rich Kirkuk area have repeatedly been targeted by militants, who have blown up dozens of pipelines in a bid to disrupt reconstruction efforts and undermine the U.S.-backed interim government.

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Hey look everyone...it's another insensitive pr!ck flaunting peoples deaths in order to promote his self righteous anti-war agenda.

[Edit] My condolences go out to these respectable soldiers families.

 
Why did you have to add smug, sarcastic remarks to distract from the article (and actual topic). I think the gravity of 60 people dying far outweighs your need to be a jackass.

Knock if off.
 
Originally posted by: Mockery
Hey look everyone...it's another insensitive pr!ck flaunting peoples deaths in order to promote his self righteous anti-war agenda.

[Edit] My condolences go out to these respectable soldiers families.

You can drop the "holier than thou" shtick, if you read it carefully, you will see almost all the deaths were Iraqi civilians and insurgents. Obviously their families arent good enough for you condolences.

 
If I get you a rise of you guys for my comments. Good. I want you to think about and respect not just the dead but the living as well, and the wartorn hellhole they have to live in because of the choices of a few. Maybe you'll think twice before saying you support a war based on lies and distortions.
 
Hi,

The mix of these tragic facts and the accompanying gloating remarks are a sad one. You may feel that this story supports your viewpoint with regard to the war, but IMHO the way you presented it is highly inappropriate and smacks of the lack of compassion you accuse others of. I say all of this because I find it personally upsetting that events are viewed in this light (I know you are not alone in having done this) - not as some sort of closet mod wannabee.

Please try to uphold the standards you'd like to see in everyone in this forum.

Cheers,

Andy
 
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: Mockery
Hey look everyone...it's another insensitive pr!ck flaunting peoples deaths in order to promote his self righteous anti-war agenda.

[Edit] My condolences go out to these respectable soldiers families.

You can drop the "holier than thou" shtick, if you read it carefully, you will see almost all the deaths were Iraqi civilians and insurgents. Obviously their families arent good enough for you condolences.

Did you really expect no one to respond diligently when you post snide, agenda driven remarks about other peoples deaths?

Did my remarks really surprise you, or do you usually get away with taking your morning sh!t on the recently departed graves?

regardless of who died, their family deserve our condolences, not cheap shots.
 
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
If I get you a rise of you guys for my comments. Good. I want you to think about and respect not just the dead but the living as well, and the wartorn hellhole they have to live in because of the choices of a few. Maybe you'll think twice before saying you support a war based on lies and distortions.

Actually what I'm thinking about is how much of an obnoxious troll you are and how you a) have to resort to emotional pandering to compensate for your inability to provide rational, well-crafted arguments and b) have absolutely no sense of decorum since you apparently seem to think posting flamebait and cheap shots over people's deaths is in anyway constructive or likely to convince people of your opinion.

You're not accomplishing anything by being so blatantly inflammatory; hell if you were on my side I'd go out of my way to distance myself from you and your trolling. This sort of flamebait is why having discussions here is getting so difficult.
 
I had no problem with what he said and find the over-the-top responses by some in here absurd. The guy is pointing out the tragic consequences of Bush's failed policies! Just because you don't like the truth does not mean it should be buried.
What's inflammatory is the effort to silence people.
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
I had no problem with what he said and find the over-the-top responses by some in here absurd. The guy is pointing out the tragic consequences of Bush's failed policies! Just because you don't like the truth does not mean it should be buried.
What's inflammatory is the effort to silence people.

It's the way in which he said it that's so bothersome. Maybe he could have, you know, constructed some sort of argument, and maybe, phrased it in an intelligent and rational sounding manner, instead of taking obnoxious potshots? As the OP said, he chose to use a sarcastic tone expressly to piss people off. Flamebait doesn't do anything constructive.

Also, please point out where it was said that "the truth should be buried." Did I ask that his opinion be censored? No. Did I ask that he refrain from posting his opinion in a deliberately inflammatory manner? Yes.

 
It's the way in which he said it that's so bothersome. Maybe he could have, you know, constructed some sort of argument, and maybe, phrased it in an intelligent and rational sounding manner, instead of taking obnoxious potshots? As the OP said, he chose to use a sarcastic tone expressly to piss people off. Flamebait doesn't do anything constructive.

Also, please point out where it was said that "the truth should be buried." Did I ask that his opinion be censored? No. Did I ask that he refrain from posting his opinion in a deliberately inflammatory manner? Yes.

Hi,

That's about the long and short of it as I see it too (though I tend to put it a bit nicer 🙂).

Cheers,

Andy
 
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