6 world powers agree on Iran incentives

[kage69]

A dirty bomb that would immediately be traced right back to them, being that every enrichment process leaves a unique signature.

Quite so. Most types of WMD in fact can be traced via unique identifiers. This is what made the neocon's initial rational for invading Iraq rather amusing as they cited the possibility of Saddam employing WMDs through terrorism as a "stealth strike." Everyone knows, and has for some time, that state sponsored terrorism cannot be concealed. Saddam knew this, and we knew he knew this.

Often we don't need to get scientific though, old fashioned eavesdropping can suffice as well. Tehran found that out when it ordered the destruction of our Marine barracks in 82.

I must say, I'm still pretty damn surprised Russian and China were brought on board with this. I hope Iran realizes being obstinate isn't going to improve their situation.

 

[skooma]

I must say, I'm still pretty damn surprised Russian and China were brought on board with this. I hope Iran realizes being obstinate isn't going to improve their situation.

What are they onboard for though? We'll see what happens when push comes to shove.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: kage69

A dirty bomb that would immediately be traced right back to them, being that every enrichment process leaves a unique signature.

Quite so. Most types of WMD in fact can be traced via unique identifiers. This is what made the neocon's initial rational for invading Iraq rather amusing as they cited the possibility of Saddam employing WMDs through terrorism as a "stealth strike." Everyone knows, and has for some time, that state sponsored terrorism cannot be concealed. Saddam knew this, and we knew he knew this.

Often we don't need to get scientific though, old fashioned eavesdropping can suffice as well. Tehran found that out when it ordered the destruction of our Marine barracks in 82.

I must say, I'm still pretty damn surprised Russian and China were brought on board with this. I hope Iran realizes being obstinate isn't going to improve their situation.

Russia and China onboard is just smoke and mirrors. they got way to much invested into Iran, and China needs oil badly.. to ever fully go along with any sanctions. And even if they did, they'd end up sidestepping those sanctions to get their hands on oil and gas, just like everyone else did with Iraq. It's a win-win situation for Iran. So what if they can't sell a few persian rugs to the europeans.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: skooma

I must say, I'm still pretty damn surprised Russian and China were brought on board with this. I hope Iran realizes being obstinate isn't going to improve their situation.

What are they onboard for though? We'll see what happens when push comes to shove.

That's just it; push isn't going to come to shove. The best the Bush administration can hope for now is a completely ineffective embargo, one which won't do anything but damage our own indigenous businesses, again. Iran has already turned down the conditions for direct negotiations, just like Bush probably knew they would. This SHOULD be a lesson to lots of Bush supports, but I doubt it will be.

 

[imported_SonDogg]

Just an update on the story, Iran's president rejected any plan that will stop the nuke program.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/02/us.iran/index.html

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: SonDogg
Just an update on the story, Iran's president rejected any plan that will stop the nuke program.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/02/us.iran/index.html

big deal, he doesn't have the any say so in anything. If Ayatollah Khamenei says to stop enrichment and talk, then that's what Iran will do. As far as I know he hasn't given his rejection yet. He's wiser than Iran's president, you can bet he will study the proposals and concequences before mouthing off.

 

[Skanderberg]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: kage69

A dirty bomb that would immediately be traced right back to them, being that every enrichment process leaves a unique signature.

Quite so. Most types of WMD in fact can be traced via unique identifiers. This is what made the neocon's initial rational for invading Iraq rather amusing as they cited the possibility of Saddam employing WMDs through terrorism as a "stealth strike." Everyone knows, and has for some time, that state sponsored terrorism cannot be concealed. Saddam knew this, and we knew he knew this.

Often we don't need to get scientific though, old fashioned eavesdropping can suffice as well. Tehran found that out when it ordered the destruction of our Marine barracks in 82.

I must say, I'm still pretty damn surprised Russian and China were brought on board with this. I hope Iran realizes being obstinate isn't going to improve their situation.

Russia and China onboard is just smoke and mirrors. they got way to much invested into Iran, and China needs oil badly.. to ever fully go along with any sanctions. And even if they did, they'd end up sidestepping those sanctions to get their hands on oil and gas, just like everyone else did with Iraq. It's a win-win situation for Iran. So what if they can't sell a few persian rugs to the europeans.

The best way for China to get their grubby hands on the oil in Iran is to go along with the stonewall diplomacy. If Iran continues, let the "combined" diplomatic powers of the "allies" threat military force. When it comes time to push the button, China invades Iran under the guise of "cooperating" with the other UN allies. They get to demonstate their new military toys, confiscate Iran's oil without compensation, and all with the support of Washington. It's a lot better alternative to attacking Taiwan because noone will stop them in Iran.

 

[imported_SonDogg]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: SonDogg
Just an update on the story, Iran's president rejected any plan that will stop the nuke program.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/02/us.iran/index.html

big deal, he doesn't have the any say so in anything. If Ayatollah Khamenei says to stop enrichment and talk, then that's what Iran will do. As far as I know he hasn't given his rejection yet. He's wiser than Iran's president, you can bet he will study the proposals and concequences before mouthing off.

Understood, just trying to keep the thread current. I don't think very highly of him either.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: Skanderberg
The best way for China to get their grubby hands on the oil in Iran is to go along with the stonewall diplomacy. If Iran continues, let the "combined" diplomatic powers of the "allies" threat military force. When it comes time to push the button, China invades Iran under the guise of "cooperating" with the other UN allies. They get to demonstate their new military toys, confiscate Iran's oil without compensation, and all with the support of Washington. It's a lot better alternative to attacking Taiwan because noone will stop them in Iran.

Thats about the best realistic scenario IMO. I just don't think bush will give up lead role.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: kage69

A dirty bomb that would immediately be traced right back to them, being that every enrichment process leaves a unique signature.

Quite so. Most types of WMD in fact can be traced via unique identifiers. This is what made the neocon's initial rational for invading Iraq rather amusing as they cited the possibility of Saddam employing WMDs through terrorism as a "stealth strike." Everyone knows, and has for some time, that state sponsored terrorism cannot be concealed. Saddam knew this, and we knew he knew this.

Often we don't need to get scientific though, old fashioned eavesdropping can suffice as well. Tehran found that out when it ordered the destruction of our Marine barracks in 82.

I must say, I'm still pretty damn surprised Russian and China were brought on board with this. I hope Iran realizes being obstinate isn't going to improve their situation.

Russia and China onboard is just smoke and mirrors. they got way to much invested into Iran, and China needs oil badly.. to ever fully go along with any sanctions. And even if they did, they'd end up sidestepping those sanctions to get their hands on oil and gas, just like everyone else did with Iraq. It's a win-win situation for Iran. So what if they can't sell a few persian rugs to the europeans.

European countries are heavily involved in Iran, especially Germany. I find it interesting that Germany is on the list of world powers while being the only one that isn't a permanent UN security council member.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: SkanderbergThe best way for China to get their grubby hands on the oil in Iran is to go along with the stonewall diplomacy. If Iran continues, let the "combined" diplomatic powers of the "allies" threat military force. When it comes time to push the button, China invades Iran under the guise of "cooperating" with the other UN allies. They get to demonstate their new military toys, confiscate Iran's oil without compensation, and all with the support of Washington. It's a lot better alternative to attacking Taiwan because noone will stop them in Iran.

Another pant-load of jingoistic crap from Skanderberg. What a surprise!