6 Waltons (Walmart) have more wealth then the bottom 30% of Americans.

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Different people will take this different ways, but Jeffrey Goldberg tells us that six members of the Walton family (the original owners of Walmart) have more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans. Here's where he says it:

In 2007, according to the labor economist Sylvia Allegretto, the six Walton family members on the Forbes 400 had a net worth equal to the bottom 30 percent of all Americans.
And given that he quotes us here at Forbes on the point, he's almost certainly right.
The question is, what are we to make of this point? I think we all know what Mr. Goldberg wants us to make of it, it's a telling indictment of American wealth inequality, the world's going to the dogs and something must be done about rising inequality.
The Waltons are now collectively worth about $93 billion, according to Forbes.
Well, yes, but. Total U.S. household wealth is in the $50 trillion (yes, trillion) to $70 trillion range. The range is depending on whether you want to take before the housing crash or in the middle of it. So the statement is that these Waltons have, between the family, 0.13% of US wealth. Which, for the people who inherited the world's largest (well, certainly the country's) and most successful retailer doesn't sound like a particularly terrible concentration of wealth. It's certainly less than John D. Rockefeller had all by his lonesome when he was in his pomp.
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But I think it's possible that the comment is more revealing about Mr. Goldberg really, for as Felix Salmon points out, Mr. Goldberg himself has more wealth than the bottom 25% of Americans.
This sounds outrageous, until you stop for a second and take note of the fact that Jeffrey Goldberg, individually, has a net worth greater than the bottom 25% of all Americans.
In fact, given that I have equity in my home and no other debt than mortgage, I have, as is highly likely do all readers of these pages, more wealth than the bottom 25% of Americans added together. For as Felix points us to:
In 2009, roughly 1 in 4 (24.8%) of American households had zero or negative net worth, up from 18.6% in 2007, and 37.1% of households had net worth of less than $12,000, up from 30.0% in 2007.
Wealth is always more unequally distributed than income. By the way, it isn't even true that all of those households with zero or negative wealth are what we would call poor either. It's entirely possible to have no net assets while having a good income, even a high income. All you need to have is debts higher than your assets: something that will almost certainly be true of anyone with student debt and fresh out of college for example. Fresh out of grad school you might well have $100,000, $200,000 of debt, hey, possibly even from medical school you might be carrying $500,000. None of us are actually going to weep all that hard for you though, not you with that associates job at a Wall Street law firm on $100,000 or more, not a newly qualified doctor on hundreds of thousands a year.
I certainly don't mean that all those with negative net household value are in that situation: There are an awful lot of people who are "properly" poor in the way that we all usually understand it.
But this comparison of wealth doesn't show us quite what Mr. Goldberg thinks it does. If you've got no debts and have $10 in your pocket you have more wealth than 25% of Americans. More than that 25% of Americans have collectively that is.
That a family who has inherited the majority of one of the leading global retailers have more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans, when compared with how high up the tree a single ten dollar bill gets you, is pretty much worthy of a heartfelt "Meh."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/six-waltons-more-wealth-bottom-172819426.html

I have no problem with people making money and being rich. But it does seem very odd to me to live in a world or country where 6 people can have more wealth than 92million people combined.

/head assplode
 
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Ausm

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Republicans defend this Economic model to the death for some reason?

I don't have a problem with insanely wealthy people even though they didn't work for it but I do I have a problem when the top 1% wealth has climbed up 300% compared to the 5% of the rest of us peons in the last 30 years.
 

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/six-waltons-more-wealth-bottom-172819426.html

I have no problem with people making money and being rich. But it does seem very odd to me to live in a world or country where 6 people can have more wealth than 92million people combined.

/head assplode

Read your own article. The author makes some fair points.

The thing about the "bottom 30%" is that while they have some income, they essentially have no "wealth." They don't own homes or have more than a paycheck worth of cash in the bank. Their "wealth" is maybe a car and some other portable property. Compare the Waltons' wealth to the next 30% above them, and they have like 1/500th of it. I bet the Waltons don't have more income than the bottom 30%. Whether you choose to compare wealth or income probably depends on what point you're trying to make.

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Patranus

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And?

The family started a company from nothing and through hard work made a shit load of money.

It is the American dream.

Don't see a problem with that.

Nothing is stopping anyone in the bottom 30% from having a business idea and making it successful through hard work.
 

Macamus Prime

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The family started a company from nothing and through exploiting overseas slave labor made a shit load of money.

It is the American dream, to support communist China.

Don't see a problem with that, unless you a Barak Hussein Obama.

Nothing is stopping anyone in the bottom 30% from having a business idea and making it successful through exploiting overseas slave labor.

FTFY.
 

JS80

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You can take all their wealth and redistribute it to the bottom 30% and they will still be in the bottom 30%.
 

Fear No Evil

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So take it all, give it to the bottom 30%.. in 30 days when they have blown it all.. then what? We all feel better?
 

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6 Waltons (Walmart) have more wealth then the bottom 30% of Americans.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/six-waltons-more-wealth-bottom-172819426.html

and I'm sure Sam Walton is spinning in his grave by what these family members have done.

Sam worked hard and kept his company American.

As soon as he died the family sold out to the Chinese.

The perfect example of greed.

It's a crime the 92 million Americans they have more money than combined have no choice but to continue to purchase from them because they killed off all the real American business.

The fall of the new Rome (U.S.) couldn't be written any better.
 

theeedude

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Who cares? I am sick of this idea because one person has money it hurts another.

Waltons got rich off exporting American jobs to China and driving local stores out of business. So yeah, it has hurt others.
 

Atreus21

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Republicans defend this Economic model to the death for some reason?

I don't have a problem with insanely wealthy people even though they didn't work for it but I do I have a problem when the top 1% wealth has climbed up 300% compared to the 5% of the rest of us peons in the last 30 years.

Yes, I will defend my freedom, and that of other people, to profit from their ideas, inventions, and hard work, to the death.

It's ironic to me that leftists, ever vigilant against religious moral impositions, have no issues with the idea of imposing how much money a person ought to be allowed to earn, out of a sense of morality.
 

highland145

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Squeeze suppliers until the only way they can afford to supply Walmart is by sourcing from China.
I know what they're doing but what changed to make it so easily done? Other than their sheer size. IIRC, NAFTA started their move to Mexico and to China from there. Is global free(near free) trade the issue?
 

Ausm

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Yes, I will defend my freedom, and that of other people, to profit from their ideas, inventions, and hard work, to the death.

It's ironic to me that leftists, ever vigilant against religious moral impositions, have no issues with the idea of imposing how much money a person ought to be allowed to earn, out of a sense of morality.

Where did I say a person is only allowed to earn a certain amount of money? I don't have a problem with Rich people but I do have a problem with a system in place that makes the Rich Richer at the expense of the Middle Class and the working poor.

One thing you are spot on tho is I don't give a flying fuck about Religion.
 

Gunslinger08

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I really don't understand the arguments against rich people. They are rich because they or someone they know either did something that a whole lot of people found valuable or had the knowledge and skill to profit from investments. Why exactly would other people have more of a claim to that wealth than them?
 

bfdd

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They employ more than like 2 million people. If they earn 25 cents an hour for themselves for every man hour they employ someone, they would make 500k a fucking hour. Waaah big numbers hurt my head and scare me waaah. fucking losers who are obsessed with money.
 

Atreus21

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Where did I say a person is only allowed to earn a certain amount of money? I don't have a problem with Rich people but I do have a problem with a system in place that makes the Rich Richer at the expense of the Middle Class and the working poor.

One thing you are spot on tho is I don't give a flying fuck about Religion.

If the middle class and working poor decide to freely give their money to the rich in exchange for a good or service, are we supposed to stop them if we deem the transaction is unfair?
 
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soundforbjt

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and I'm sure Sam Walton is spinning in his grave by what these family members have done.

Sam worked hard and kept his company American.

As soon as he died the family sold out to the Chinese.

The perfect example of greed.

It's a crime the 92 million Americans they have more money than combined have no choice but to continue to purchase from them because they killed off all the real American business.

The fall of the new Rome (U.S.) couldn't be written any better.

Basically agree, the 6 walton kids would have squat if it were'nt for their dad. They took a great success story and perverted it in the name of greed. They ran local small businesses out of town and cut wages for workers that used to work at those samll businesses.