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6 Good Reasons a Black Person Might Resist Arrest

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Jmman said:
Is the title of this thread an oxymoron or what?
Chance of getting away by resisting arrest .000001%
Chance of getting shot by a taser, roughed up, or worse 99.99%
This applies if you are white, black, brown, etc.....
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Most people understand this.
Now if the black community figured it out, we'd be golden.

But no, we have to find excuses (racism, poverty, etc) rather than addressing the real issue. Blacks have thick skulls and need to learn the hard way.

(No racist comments from me - its not a racial thing, its a lack of discipline issue. Honestly. If you act up, you're going to get spanked. Better to learn that lesson at age 4 with a smack on the butt than at age 18 with a gunshot by police.)
 
mugs said:
Resisting arrest won't change this.



Resisting arrest won't change this.



Resisting arrest will cause this.



Resisting arrest won't change this.



Resisting arrest won't change this.



Resisting arrest won't change this. But if you do flee and spend any time at all out of sight, ignorant racists will say you used the time to hide your imaginary weapon and called someone to come retrieve it. See: Jordan Davis. He and his friends never even left the parking lot, but his murderer convinced a jury that he was threatened with a shotgun.

Resisting arrest doesn't have any positive outcomes. You get the same negative outcomes with the addition of some bruises. It can also get you killed.
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I think the thread is ambiguous. It's not necessarily 6 good reasons to resist arrest to achieve any purpose, but could rather be 6 reasons explaining why they might resist arrest (regardless of outcome). So maybe it's missing the point to say stuff like "sounds like 6 good reasons to not resist" or "resistance won't help."

It's like when someone accuses you of being irrational for doing something that's counterproductive to some desired outcome, like cheating on a diet, when the cheater isn't cheating with the intent or expectation of the cheating helping him or her achieve the weight loss goal. Therefore it can't be said to be irrational.

They don't resist arrest because they think it might produce some favorable outcome, but because they resent systemic racism (inequality in law enforcement and the entire criminal justice system). In this case you can say there is no purpose to the resistance, and that list merely explanatory. It may be true that it doesn't help them or necessary hurts them more, but that's missing the point.

Like that Kumasi guy said,

"when you send me the message that my life is of no value, then how can your property, your society, your civilization - how can any of the morals, rules or any of the monuments - how can any of that be of any value to me, when all it has on the door for me is a rejection notice. I'm not allowed to look. I'm not allowed to touch. I'm not allowed to partake. I'm not allowed to participate. All my life... I was rejected before I was born. I'm the most rejected. Nothing is open to me. And every time i knock on the door and get rejected it takes a little bit out of me. So how can it mean anything to me that I should try to salvage it, or protect it, or preserve it. It stands as a barrier before me. etc."
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That's their perception, apparently. Maybe these ideas are disseminated/affirmed. I'm not black, but it seems understandable why they'd be hostile towards and suspicious of the man.
 
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brandonb said:
Most people understand this.
Now if the black community figured it out, we'd be golden.

But no, we have to find excuses (racism, poverty, etc) rather than addressing the real issue. Blacks have thick skulls and need to learn the hard way.

(No racist comments from me - its not a racial thing, its a lack of discipline issue. Honestly. If you act up, you're going to get spanked. Better to learn that lesson at age 4 with a smack on the butt than at age 18 with a gunshot by police.)
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I do agree with some of this, no one should resist arrest, should just get a lawyer and clear it up at precinct. but ... after something like Trevor Martin and bad relationship between the police and the black community, I'm not black but I cannot imaging if I were black and the police is trying to arrest me when I'm innocent, I wouldn't think this arrest as some type of profiling and be very angry and indignant about such an arrest. I can't say every person who is feeling so much indignation can act completely rationally at that moment. I think this account for some part of these tragedies.

I really do think policeman of different races should work in different communities like in a joint community project in which people can interact and socialize with one another, these type of activities lets one gain an incite to other's experiences in this world. very helpful in understanding how others think and why they act in a certain way.
 
nyker96 said:
I do agree with some of this, no one should resist arrest, should just get a lawyer and clear it up at precinct. but ... after something like Trevor Martin and bad relationship between the police and the black community, I'm not black but I cannot imaging if I were black and the police is trying to arrest me when I'm innocent, I wouldn't think this arrest as some type of profiling and be very angry and indignant about such an arrest. I can't say every person who is feeling so much indignation can act completely rationally at that moment. I think this account for some part of these tragedies.
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Well, here is the problem. Police interact with people every day. They are best to judge the character of these people. If police are shooting first and asking questions later. There is probably a reason for it. It's not racism. It's just that these people are becoming a problem for the police by their lack of cooperation, so police might jump on the "react first" mentality. While the white folks do not pose the same problem/threat. This gives the effect that whites have a privilege, and are treated differently, and that may be true. But it's not because of racism, but rather how they interact with the police.

The only people who can change that is the black community. By teaching their young how to interact with people in a productive way. It's similar to the phrase "You made your bed, now you need to lie in it."

Again. Respect and discipline go hand in hand. If someone is discipline, they are going to respect. The problem is (again) a lack of discipline in that community, and therefore, no respect of others. Unfortunately its turning deadly. (It's been deadly, but it only gets press when its a white on black incident)

It's a stupid thing to suggest more lack of discipline as the fix for this problem (with riots) It has to be respect. I know you aren't saying that, it's just a general comment by me based on news headlines. Someone is suggesting it.
 
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werepossum said:
I don't disagree with any of that, but their point is that a black man can do everything right, get a practical college education, good job, mortgage, Christian marriage and 2.3 kidlets, but cops still see only the black skin. I don't fully buy into that - the black people I know who have claimed discrimination repeatedly find discrimination whereas those who don't habitually claim discrimination almost never find any - but it's a concept based on a certain amount of truth. It's especially true if black men are not dressed like successful professionals; blacks just don't get as much presumption of innocence as do the rest of us.
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And that's something that should be fixed.

The situation in Ferguson is proving the racist rednecks right. Dr. King would be appalled by the actions of the modern black community.
 
justoh said:
I think the thread is ambiguous. It's not necessarily 6 good reasons to resist arrest to achieve any purpose, but could rather be 6 reasons explaining why they might resist arrest (regardless of outcome). So maybe it's missing the point to say stuff like "sounds like 6 good reasons to not resist" or "resistance won't help."

It's like when someone accuses you of being irrational for doing something that's counterproductive to some desired outcome, like cheating on a diet, when the cheater isn't cheating with the intent or expectation of the cheating helping him or her achieve the weight loss goal. Therefore it can't be said to be irrational.

They don't resist arrest because they think it might produce some favorable outcome, but because they resent systemic racism (inequality in law enforcement and the entire criminal justice system). In this case you can say there is no purpose to the resistance, and that list merely explanatory. It may be true that it doesn't help them or necessary hurts them more, but that's missing the point.

Like that Kumasi guy said,


That's their perception, apparently. Maybe these ideas are disseminated/affirmed. I'm not black, but it seems understandable why they'd be hostile towards and suspicious of the man.
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Exactly! If you aren't black then you probably don't understand and most non black people don't bother trying to understand, just look at the post from brandonb, it reeks of ignorance and he is completely oblivious to it.
 
ivwshane said:
Exactly! If you aren't black then you probably don't understand and most non black people don't bother trying to understand, just look at the post from brandonb, it reeks of ignorance and he is completely oblivious to it.
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Please elaborate. If you can possibly handle that?

BTW, all you have is the entire "You just don't get me, my lifestyle, and how I interact with the world, everybody is out to get me. Oh look I'm a victim" argument. Cops don't care. Neither do I.

If that's the best you can come up with, then you aren't helping solve the problem. Blacks will continue to get gunned down by officers. I guess you can then continue to be a victim and cry racism and get nowhere.

It's not my life, and I don't care if that's what you are championing. Again, lie in the bed you make.

(My guess is you aren't even a minority and a white person full of guilt)
 
Retro Rob said:
As a black man, I'd never resist arrest under any circumstances. If I am being wrongly arrested, I'd work to clear that up at the station and/or with the judge.

That being said, resisting arrest will never improve a situation.
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Retro Rob, get the fuck out of here with your logic and reasoning. OP wants NO part of that. Especially if you're black. Because it goes against all stereotypes that he believes. You are in pain. You are suffering. White man is constantly bringing you down.

He wants you, a black man, to be suffering... So himself, a defensive white man can do his job which is to save the world from all judgements! He is superman!
 
BoberFett said:
That's all I need, defective unit. You have irrational fear, drummed up by the media. You have a defective chimp brain, and your posts here are evidence.
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BoberFett said:
Is there any part of life you HAVEN'T failed at loser?

Go get fired or arrested again.
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Ahahaha!!! Projecting much?


I guess with incorruptible gone you decided to fill his shoes.

Sheesh, you get schooled in econ 101 and you go full retard! Congrats!
 
justoh said:
I think the thread is ambiguous. It's not necessarily 6 good reasons to resist arrest to achieve any purpose, but could rather be 6 reasons explaining why they might resist arrest (regardless of outcome). So maybe it's missing the point to say stuff like "sounds like 6 good reasons to not resist" or "resistance won't help."

It's like when someone accuses you of being irrational for doing something that's counterproductive to some desired outcome, like cheating on a diet, when the cheater isn't cheating with the intent or expectation of the cheating helping him or her achieve the weight loss goal. Therefore it can't be said to be irrational.

They don't resist arrest because they think it might produce some favorable outcome, but because they resent systemic racism (inequality in law enforcement and the entire criminal justice system). In this case you can say there is no purpose to the resistance, and that list merely explanatory. It may be true that it doesn't help them or necessary hurts them more, but that's missing the point.

Like that Kumasi guy said,


That's their perception, apparently. Maybe these ideas are disseminated/affirmed. I'm not black, but it seems understandable why they'd be hostile towards and suspicious of the man.
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Uh oh, waaay too rational. That doesn't belong here.
 
BoberFett said:
And that's something that should be fixed.

The situation in Ferguson is proving the racist rednecks right. Dr. King would be appalled by the actions of the modern black community.
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Actually, I suspect he'd be appalled with people like you claiming that a small minority of trouble makers is representative of "the modern black community".

You're not dumb. You understand what you wrote.
 
BoberFett said:
And that's something that should be fixed.

The situation in Ferguson is proving the racist rednecks right. Dr. King would be appalled by the actions of the modern black community.
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Yes, but there is also something to be said about well-behaved people rarely driving major social change. Of course, there is some truth that some of the behavior in Ferguson is reinforcing the racist feelings too. It's a struggle for the proper balance between not making the problem better and making the problem worse. Ironically, some of Malcolm X's later writings address this point, both how violence helps drive social change and how violence impedes drive social change.
 
Victorian Gray said:
Actually, I suspect he'd be appalled with people like you claiming that a small minority of trouble makers is representative of "the modern black community".

You're not dumb. You understand what you wrote.
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You on the other hand are dumb, and don't seem to understand anything that anybody writes.
 
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