6 core mainstream Haswell?

[grimpr]

Intel will sell quadcores with HT at 300$ till the end of the world.

 

[tweakboy]

Haswell will see the light in 2014 guys. that about estimated 18 months away.

Grab a Sandy E or Ivy E 6 core 12 thread if you were hoping for Haswell in 2013. gl

 

[BlackbirdCaD]

Haswell will see the light in 2014 guys. that about estimated 18 months away.

Grab a Sandy E or Ivy E 6 core 12 thread if you were hoping for Haswell in 2013. gl

Amazing that a user with so many posts write such [incorrect statements].

Haswell will come Q2 2013, IB-E will come Q3 2013.

No profanity in the tech forums please
-ViRGE

 

[boxleitnerb]

6 cores from Intel in the mainstream will come when they are needed. Not needed by the user but needed to counter a superior AMD CPU.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Amazing that a user with so many posts write such [incorrect statements].

Haswell will come Q2 2013, IB-E will come Q3 2013.

March for Haswell-DT, thats Q1.

 

[ViRGE]

March for Haswell-DT, thats Q1.

Does anyone here really think Haswell will make Q1? Intel's always been on a 12 month+ cadence, and IVB launched in April. Haswell in April of 2013 seems like it would be a small miracle right now.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Does anyone here really think Haswell will make Q1? Intel's always been on a 12 month+ cadence, and IVB launched in April. Haswell in April of 2013 seems like it would be a small miracle right now.

Haswell-DT is onQ1 and noted as march on Intel roadmaps. Plus you can usually start buying the CPUs at different places a month or so before. So unless there is a delay for some reason even Intel doesnt expect. Then I would say march.

Same goes for the chipset roadmap. Lynx Point is also stated for march.

IB had the doubt of being launched on a new processnode.

Original development map:

Desktop chipset information for anyone interrested:

Not much from a user perspective. FDI moved to the CPU, 6 SATA ports. The PCH is shrinked, from 27*27mm to 22*23mm.

On mobile (no chipsets listed). Ultrabooks will have chipset on the CPU package. Else its just the standard M variations as well.

Looks like we can overclock like with Lynnfield. Users rejoice!

 

[StinkyPinky]

Looking forward to Haswell. Not for the desktop side of it, but rather the mobile side.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Lets try it from a different angle.

People on the desktop/laptop wanting hexcores can be counted in the 100Ks. People wanting dual or quadcores in the 100Ms.

Really? So Intel will only be selling 100K of the 3770K?

If people really were satisfied with the 2 or 4 cores without HT, then they'd only buy the 3570K or even lower performing CPUs.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Really? So Intel will only be selling 100K of the 3770K?

If people really were satisfied with the 2 or 4 cores without HT, then they'd only buy the 3570K or even lower performing CPUs.

3770K is a quadcore.

Let me know how many 3960X and 3930K os sold.

 

[Fjodor2001]

3770K is a quadcore.

Let me know how many 3960X and 3930K os sold.

It's quadcore with HT (i.e. 8 threads), as I wrote.

Your whole argument is based on that most people do not want CPUs with more than 4 threads, be that 4C8T or 6C6T. But since people buy 3770K which is 4C8T in large volumes, your assumption does not hold.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It's quadcore with HT (i.e. 8 threads), as I wrote.

Your whole argument is based on that most people do not want CPUs with more than 4 threads, be that 4C8T or 6C6T. But since people buy 3770K which is 4C8T in large volumes, your assumption does not hold.

I didnt say that. Thats something you make up.

I cant help you keep feeling so butthurt about not being able to buy an Intel 6-8core for 200$.

 

[Fjodor2001]

I didnt say that. Thats something you make up.

I cant help you keep feeling so butthurt about not being able to buy an Intel 6-8core for 200$.

Ok, so then please clarify. You're saying people do not want a 6C CPU since they have no use for more than 4 threads anyway, but they will happily buy a 4C8T CPU even though it has more than 4 threads?

Or why do you mean people want 4C8T CPUs, but not 6C CPUs?

Also, you can drop the personal attacks please.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Ok, so then please clarify. You're saying people do not want a 6C CPU since they have no use for more than 4 threads anyway, but they will happily buy a 4C8T CPU even though it has more than 4 threads?

Or why do you mean people want 4C8T CPUs, but not 6C CPUs?

Also, you can drop the personal attacks please.

A 6C would be 6C/12T. And thats already sold as a 3930K plus different Xeon types.

 

[Fjodor2001]

A 6C would be 6C/12T. And thats already sold as a 3930K plus different Xeon types.

Why would it have to be 6C/12T and not 6C/6T (similar to 3570K which is 4C/4T)?

Also, the CPUs you mention are not on a mainstream socket or price point, which is what we are discussing here. Check the thread title.

The point is that if Intel would make a CPU variant where they ditch the iGPU on the 3570K, they could fit 6C on the same die area and hence cost. I don't see why that would not sell. In fact for anyone e.g. intending to use a discrete GFX card it would be foolish not to buy it, since the iGPU then is waste anyway.

 

[ShintaiDK]

But those are not on a mainstream socket or price point, which is what we are discussing here. Check the thread title.

The point is that if Intel would make a CPU variant where they ditch the iGPU on the 3570K, they could fit 6C on the same die area and hence cost. I don't see why that would not sell. In fact for anyone intending to use a discrete GFX card it would be foolish not to buy it, since the iGPU then is waste anyway.

A 3930K is in the same "segment" as a 3770K for example. Its called the premium performance segment.

Are we talking the mainstream performance segment thats topped by a 3570K?

Its essentially all back to the dead horsebeating of wanting alot of high performance cores for cheap.

You also forget the thermal benefit of the iGPU. Not to mention you get it for free. Or that a 6C version would most likely have to be clocked lower.

An example would be the 8C/16T Xeons on SB that peaks at 2.9Ghz for baseclock. Compared to the 6C/12T 3960X 3.3Ghz.

You most likely also forget all the boards for a socket would have to support a higher powerdraw CPU. So if you make say a 130W LGA1155 CPU. All boards would need to support than instead of 95W. Thats again extra cost for the 99.x% of people compared to you.

But again...niche segment.

Are we done yet with this looping convo? Broadwell and Haswell will be quadcores on LGA1150.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Its essentially all back to the dead horsebeating of wanting alot of high performance cores for cheap.

Well, if a version of the 3570K where the iGPU is ditched and replaced by 2 extra cores so the die size stays about the same, then it should cost about the same as the normal 3570K.

Is that so strange to you?

You also forget the thermal benefit of the iGPU.

Are you assuming the iGPU would produce less heat than the 2 extra CPU cores that replace it, even though they occupy about the same amount of transistors? What proof do you have of that?

You most likely also forget all the boards for a socket would have to support a higher powerdraw CPU.

Again, are you assuming the iGPU consumes less power than the 2 extra CPU cores that replace it, even though they occupy about the same amount of transistors? What proof do you have of that?

Also, note that socket 1155/1156 is designed for 95W TDP, but 3570K/3770K only have 77W TDP, so there is some headroom anyway.

But again...niche segment.

I don't think so. If there would actually be mainstream Intel 6C CPUs without iGPU available, I think they would sell quite well. As I mentioned, for anyone getting a discrete GFX card it would be the obvious choice compared to a 3570K/3770K since the iGPU in those would not be used anyway.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Does anyone here really think Haswell will make Q1? Intel's always been on a 12 month+ cadence, and IVB launched in April. Haswell in April of 2013 seems like it would be a small miracle right now.

Ya I do. But no desktop chips till 2nd qt maybe late 1st qt.

"We expect an increase in inventory reserves as we start production on our next-generation micro architecture product code-named Haswell, which we expect to qualify for sale in the first quarter of 2013," said Stacy Smith, chief financial officer of Intel

 

[ShintaiDK]

I don't think so. If there would actually be mainstream Intel 6C CPUs without iGPU available, I think they would sell quite well. As I mentioned, for anyone getting a discrete GFX card it would be the obvious choice compared to a 3570K/3770K since the iGPU in those would not be used anyway.

Why dont you show me the business case of selling 6 cores CPUs for LGA115x in the price range you wish to pay. Besides the constant whining that you could fit 2 more cores on the die and you feel cheated for not having a 6 core for 200$ that would somehow run at the same speed as a 4 core.

Btw, the TDP difference between iGPU enabled and disabled on products is 8W.

People wanting 6 cores and no IGP for their gaming desktop can go buy the 3930K.

I somehow have a feeling this will go on for the next 2½ years. And most likely after that too since there will always be an IGP.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Why dont you show me the business case of selling 6 cores CPUs for LGA115x in the price range you wish to pay.

As I mentioned before, for example anyone considering getting a 3570K/3770K, but will use a discrete GFX card instead, so they'd rather like to the a variant where the iGPU is replaced by 2 extra CPU cores.

Btw, the TDP difference between iGPU enabled and disabled on products is 8W.

You mean the HD4000 iGPU only consumes 8W at full load? I don't think so.

People wanting 6 cores and no IGP for their gaming desktop can go buy the 3930K.

Which again is no mainsteam CPU, which is what we're discussing in this thread.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Overpriced to who? you?

They seem within reason to me based on the past 10 years of CPU pricing.

I think people are just upset you can no longer take a $300 chip and overclock it to match a $1000 chip. The splitting of quad cores and hex cores has made this pretty much impossible. Now you're looking at spending $500 or more to do that. You can overclock a 3770K, but it will never really quite come close to an overclocked 3930K (gaming performance aside). In the C2D days, E6600s matched X6800s, and Q6600s matched QX6800, and etc.