6/22/2011 Louisiana Legislators Narrowly Reject Car Seizure for Littering

waggy

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http://thenewspaper.com/news/35/3513.asp

Louisiana lawmakers came close to enacting legislation that would have confiscated vehicles driven by people accused of littering. The bill failed in the House 49 to 46 on Monday after having cleared the state Senate last week by a 34 to 1 vote. Had two state representatives switched their votes, the measure would have been sent to the governor.

Existing law already provides that a third conviction for littering should be punished by a minimum fine of $1500 and a maximum of $5000, a one-year driver's license suspension, up to thirty days in jail and up to 100 hours of being forced to pick up litter at the side of the road. The judge can also convert the monetary fines and other penalties into more time picking up litter. The proposed legislation would have added confiscation of the "motor vehicle, boat, or conveyance being driven by the offender at the time of the offense." The bill's House sponsor defended against attacks that the measure would lead to cases where cars would be unfairly seized from innocent vehicle owners.

"We do laws every day that go before a judge, and he is a judge because he or she is smart enough to go between what's legitimate and what's not," Representative Karen St. Germain (D-Plaquemine) said. "This is a major issue -- the entire [Natural Resources] Committee voted it out unanimously because it is an issue that has to be addressed. And since Katrina, Gustav, Ike we've had a lot more of this going on."

Under the legislation, impounded vehicles would be sold at auction with the revenue split 10 percent to the towing company, 30 percent to the local police or investigative agency, 10 percent to the indigent defender board, 20 percent to the prosecutor and 30 percent to the state. The vehicle would be seized regardless of whether the offender was also the owner of the car. A bank or other lien holder on a leased car would have to pay "all towing and storage fees" before recovering their property.

"We're making the banks pay all the penalties for the criminal," Representative John LaBruzzo (R-Metairie) said. "Why do we want to get the banks involved in the process of littering? ...This sounds like a great bill for the towing industry to try to get them some business."

Representative Joseph P. Lopinto III (R-Jefferson Parish) moved to postpone consideration of the bill indefinitely, which, in effect, kills the bill for the session. A copy of Senate Bill 270 is available in a 25k PDF file at the source link below.


OH WHAT THE FUCK! that is insane. seizure for littering? thats..just nuts. at least it failed (barely) and is shelved..for now. Siezure should be used in only extreme cases. not something that is a $1500 (even that is kinda insane)
 
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ch33zw1z

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I wish they'd just start enforcing the laws already in place before moving to something this drastic. I see people littering everyday, discarding cig butts being the most common. Fine the sh!t out of them...
 

Anubis

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1500$ is not insane enough, should add a 0 for those that toss cig butts out their windows

not only are they fucking up my air they are doing it to the ground
 

waggy

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I wish they'd just start enforcing the laws already in place before moving to something this drastic. I see people littering everyday, discarding cig butts being the most common. Fine the sh!t out of them...

i agree. enforce the laws. no need for everyone to get a bonus for doing it.
 

rivan

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i agree. enforce the laws. no need for everyone to get a bonus for doing it.

A bonus?

There are costs associated with enforcement. Would you rather pay for that in your taxes, or have the offenders pay for it?

Personally, the thing that burns me up the most about twats who litter is I pay to clean that shit up. Who do you think pays for this?
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Texashiker

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Dec 18, 2010
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Its Louisiana, why am I not surprised.

I worked in that country for about 5 1/2 years. The state taxes their people for everything they have, then the money just disappears. Louisiana has some of the worst roads in the entire nation, and you pay taxes on everything.
 

Svnla

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Nov 10, 2003
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I wish they'd just start enforcing the laws already in place before moving to something this drastic. I see people littering everyday, discarding cig butts being the most common. Fine the sh!t out of them...

Agree.

I can't stand folks that smoke and drink then toss their cigarette butts and beer cans outside.

La. state legislators are planning to have a copy of the 10 commandments in stone and put it in the state capitol building. Talk about potential lawsuits and waste of money.
 

waggy

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A bonus?

There are costs associated with enforcement. Would you rather pay for that in your taxes, or have the offenders pay for it?

Personally, the thing that burns me up the most about twats who litter is I pay to clean that shit up. Who do you think pays for this?
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yes a bonus.

:under the legislation, impounded vehicles would be sold at auction with the revenue split 10 percent to the towing company, 30 percent to the local police or investigative agency, 10 percent to the indigent defender board, 20 percent to the prosecutor and 30 percent to the state"

so how does giving 10% to the towing company, 20% to the prosecuter and 30 to the state really help the taxpayer?
 

Kadarin

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As much as I am in favor of raising fines for littering, this is ridiculous.
 

isekii

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Sounds pretty f'd up.
Some Valet could be driving your car, get tagged for littering and your car can be seized ?
 

rivan

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so how does giving 10% to the towing company, 20% to the prosecuter and 30 to the state really help the taxpayer?

I guess where you live wreckers are free, and towing companies are nonprofits, working for the good of the region.

I also suppose there are no court costs involved in getting the judgement and processing the auction, because your prosecutors and judges work for free.

How can you seriously not recognize that it costs money to do all this stuff? And it's not like the cars getting sold for this will be of the $100,000 variety. When the poor sap driving the 1987 Coupe De Ville throws his Big Mac wrapper out the window and ignores the fine and gets his car sold, the $720 it generates at auction won't begin to cover the costs of enforcement, especially once it's split 6 ways.
 

mcmilljb

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Its Louisiana, why am I not surprised.

I worked in that country for about 5 1/2 years. The state taxes their people for everything they have, then the money just disappears. Louisiana has some of the worst roads in the entire nation, and you pay taxes on everything.

That's cause the state turned down highway funds for a while so they could have 18 as the legal drinking age. I am sure that didn't help the roads who lost funding to higher value highways. Plus every state has crooks who steal money from the taxpayers to line their pockets. People are too stupid to hire someone to do a decent job because they like electing crooks.
 

mcmilljb

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yes a bonus.

:under the legislation, impounded vehicles would be sold at auction with the revenue split 10 percent to the towing company, 30 percent to the local police or investigative agency, 10 percent to the indigent defender board, 20 percent to the prosecutor and 30 percent to the state"

so how does giving 10% to the towing company, 20% to the prosecuter and 30 to the state really help the taxpayer?

Because it's a bonus to all the people who receive the money?

Why didn't they just say they can seizure your vehicle if you don't pay your fine? They still have to catch people and enforce it. Plus they already could do it but it would take a judge order to get it done.
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Because it's a bonus to all the people who receive the money?

Why didn't they just say they can seizure your vehicle if you don't pay your fine? They still have to catch people and enforce it. Plus they already could do it but it would take a judge order to get it done.

there are laws on the books for littering. they see somoene they ticket them. they are arleady getting paid to do the job.

with this new law they now can take the vehicle, sell it, and get a part of the profit. so now they get paid for doing the job + a bonus of the sold vehicle.

ON A LITTERING CHARGE.

oh and if before this law if you got teh car impounded they would ticket you, fine you etc. IF you didn't pay the fine then they sold it to cover the fine.

this is far different.
 

Darwin333

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Dec 11, 2006
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I guess where you live wreckers are free, and towing companies are nonprofits, working for the good of the region.

I also suppose there are no court costs involved in getting the judgement and processing the auction, because your prosecutors and judges work for free.

How can you seriously not recognize that it costs money to do all this stuff? And it's not like the cars getting sold for this will be of the $100,000 variety. When the poor sap driving the 1987 Coupe De Ville throws his Big Mac wrapper out the window and ignores the fine and gets his car sold, the $720 it generates at auction won't begin to cover the costs of enforcement, especially once it's split 6 ways.

Umm, how about, oh I dunno, pay the towing company a set fee that is negotiated or preferably put out for public bid? Naw, that would make way to much sense.

And trust me, with the police having a financial incentive such as that they will definitely be targeting nicer cars. Sure they might pull over a beater every now and then but they will go after the big bucks whenever possible. That is kinda what financial incentives do...
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Its Louisiana, why am I not surprised.

I worked in that country for about 5 1/2 years. The state taxes their people for everything they have, then the money just disappears. Louisiana has some of the worst roads in the entire nation, and you pay taxes on everything.

Louisiana has among the lowest tax burdens in the entire country. (8th lowest in 2009)
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/335.html
 

Thump553

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Jun 2, 2000
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Kind of a cross between the old fashioned southern speed trap and modern drug forfeiture laws-but a bit more crass about turning criminal law into money making schemes.
 

Texashiker

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Dec 18, 2010
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Louisiana has among the lowest tax burdens in the entire country. (8th lowest in 2009)
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/335.html

You have never worked or lived in Louisiana have you?

If you think that Louisiana has low taxes, I would hate to see the rest of the states.

One example, they tax your food. Go to a grocery store, buy a loaf of bread, and you pay taxes on that bread. What kind of sorry state taxes unprepared food. A lot of people in Louisiana that live close to the state lines will drive to other states to buy food.
 
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Why stop there? They should be able to confiscate your bank account, house and a kidney to boot! /s

Bastards....it's no wonder that the Libertarian Party is the third largest and fastest growing political party in the United States.
 

piasabird

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Feb 6, 2002
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I would agree to the seizure law in cases where cigarettes or ashes are thrown out of a car. It should also be illegal to smoke and drive at the same time.
 

Texashiker

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Dec 18, 2010
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I was unaware that Louisiana had seceded again.

Its the one state where english is a second language.

When you order gumbo at a real cajun restaurant, tell them no chicken feet.

You ever watch the show called swamp people? Louisiana is really like that.

Hogs head cheese is made out real hogs head, and they make their own.

As for the car seizure, as long as the state did not try to take their shotgun or boat, everything will be fine.
 

OutHouse

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Jun 5, 2000
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I guess where you live wreckers are free, and towing companies are nonprofits, working for the good of the region.

I also suppose there are no court costs involved in getting the judgement and processing the auction, because your prosecutors and judges work for free.

How can you seriously not recognize that it costs money to do all this stuff? And it's not like the cars getting sold for this will be of the $100,000 variety. When the poor sap driving the 1987 Coupe De Ville throws his Big Mac wrapper out the window and ignores the fine and gets his car sold, the $720 it generates at auction won't begin to cover the costs of enforcement, especially once it's split 6 ways.

cars should not be confiscated for littering in the first place you noob!!!