6/22/2011 Louisiana Legislators Narrowly Reject Car Seizure for Littering

[Fern]

I'm not a big fan of the government seizing private property, not at all.

Fern

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

 

[WHAMPOM]

I guess where you live wreckers are free, and towing companies are nonprofits, working for the good of the region.

I also suppose there are no court costs involved in getting the judgement and processing the auction, because your prosecutors and judges work for free.

How can you seriously not recognize that it costs money to do all this stuff? And it's not like the cars getting sold for this will be of the $100,000 variety. When the poor sap driving the 1987 Coupe De Ville throws his Big Mac wrapper out the window and ignores the fine and gets his car sold, the $720 it generates at auction won't begin to cover the costs of enforcement, especially once it's split 6 ways.

This is not about covering the costs, it is about a bonus on top of their wages.

 

[Svnla]

Its the one state where english is a second language.

When you order gumbo at a real cajun restaurant, tell them no chicken feet.

You ever watch the show called swamp people? Louisiana is really like that.

Hogs head cheese is made out real hogs head, and they make their own.

As for the car seizure, as long as the state did not try to take their shotgun or boat, everything will be fine.

I think you confused LA with FL. In LA, southern rural area people speak with Cajun/French mixed dialect and it can be hard to understand but it is still English. In parts of Florida or TX, it is almost exclusive Spanish only.

Hummm, I did watch the show and I did spend considerable time in LA, TX, AR for the last 20 years. Yes, parts of LA (rural southern) are like that but northern part is more like TX and AR, no swamps and no gator huntings and no inbred marriages (that I know of).

 

[classy]

Take a person's car because the littered? That is insane.

 

[Fear No Evil]

What nobody is addressing is how the lender would get screwed in this. Since everyone hates banks nobody cares, but imagine you loan someone $5,000 to buy a car. They litter and get the car seized.. you are out $5k even though you had a lien on the vehicle? How is that fair? Now extend it out to a $50,000 car and a local credit union making the loan. They lose all their money? According to the OP I do not see how the lienholder was being addressed in this bill.

 

[davmat787]

What nobody is addressing is how the lender would get screwed in this. Since everyone hates banks nobody cares, but imagine you loan someone $5,000 to buy a car. They litter and get the car seized.. you are out $5k even though you had a lien on the vehicle? How is that fair? Now extend it out to a $50,000 car and a local credit union making the loan. They lose all their money? According to the OP I do not see how the lienholder was being addressed in this bill.

Good point, but I would assume the owner would still be on the hook for payments to the bank, regardless if the car is seized.

Now a lease situation could be interesting.

 

[Texashiker]

What nobody is addressing is how the lender would get screwed in this. <snip> According to the OP I do not see how the lienholder was being addressed in this bill.

Your putting way too much though into this. After all, we are talking about Louisiana.

The guy that sponsored the bill probably ran out of beer to buy votes with. If he would have had another 12 or 24 pack to hand out, the law would have probably passed with no problem.

Next time, hire someone from Texas to count how many people he needs to buy beer for.

 

[waggy]

What nobody is addressing is how the lender would get screwed in this. Since everyone hates banks nobody cares, but imagine you loan someone $5,000 to buy a car. They litter and get the car seized.. you are out $5k even though you had a lien on the vehicle? How is that fair? Now extend it out to a $50,000 car and a local credit union making the loan. They lose all their money? According to the OP I do not see how the lienholder was being addressed in this bill.

one person who voted for it (can't find the link now heading off to the kids swim lessons) said that would be lenders issue. they would have t o turn around and sue the person who had the car.

this was just a way to get money. nothing else and fuck anyone involved.

 

[fskimospy]

You have never worked or lived in Louisiana have you?

If you think that Louisiana has low taxes, I would hate to see the rest of the states.

One example, they tax your food. Go to a grocery store, buy a loaf of bread, and you pay taxes on that bread. What kind of sorry state taxes unprepared food. A lot of people in Louisiana that live close to the state lines will drive to other states to buy food.

Are you saying that the tax foundation's analysis of the relative tax burden is false? If so, what about it is false?

It's not about what I think, it's about the pretty simple metric of them taking total tax receipts as a percentage of state GDP.

 

[woolfe9999]

I'm not a big fan of the government seizing private property, not at all.

Fern

Cash is private property too. I see no reason this is any different than an excessive fine, say $20,000. It's way too much for this type of offense, but the principle is no different whether it's a car or the contents of your bank account.

 

[Texashiker]

Are you saying that the tax foundation's analysis of the relative tax burden is false?

In the tax foundation's analysis, is that limited to residents of Louisiana? Because I worked in Louisiana for 5 1/2 years, and paid income tax to the state every year. One guy I worked with, he filed a state income tax return, and the state came back at him saying he owed more money.

The citizens of Louisiana might have a low tax burden, because non-Louisiana citizens help supplement those taxes. Because the state taxes everyone that commutes into the state to work.

 

[fskimospy]

In the tax foundation's analysis, is that limited to residents of Louisiana? Because I worked in Louisiana for 5 1/2 years, and paid income tax to the state every year. One guy I worked with, he filed a state income tax return, and the state came back at him saying he owed more money.

The citizens of Louisiana might have a low tax burden, because non-Louisiana citizens help supplement those taxes. Because the state taxes everyone that commutes into the state to work.

Right, because Louisiana has an income tax. Every state with an income tax that I am aware of charges it to people who work there, even if they aren't residents of that state. Louisiana is nothing special in this regard.

Texas doesn't have an income tax (preferring sky high property taxes instead), so you may not be used to taxed income. It's SOP for most of the country though.