Fern
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I suspect this may be another issue, i.e., it's not in this bill. But IDK, and more importantly:
Is there some federal that regulates what ES cells PRIVATE companies can use?
Are people prohibited from donating ES cells if they wish? (Like abortions are OK, but not donating stem cells? That sounds like it would be unconstitutional to me.)
Fern
It's to help his faction maintain influence within the party, attempt to determine the next repub nominee and others...
They have no principles, other than winning at any cost...
Ok Fern, fair enough.
Your fiscaly conservitive ideals are shining through. You personal views on the subject and points you bring up are certainly rational ones.
This is good to see concerning a subject that has been "hijacked" for a specific votor base.
Simplistic, moralistic and conspiratorial explanations cast the illusion that it can be easily understood and navigated. But such explanations, particularly binary ones grounded in claimed moral certainty, are virtually always vague, and thus are virtually never valuable in understanding.
Your fiscaly conservitive ideals are shining through. You personal views on the subject and points you bring up are certainly rational ones.
This is good to see concerning a subject that has been "hijacked" for a specific votor base.
Simplistic, moralistic and conspiratorial explanations cast the illusion that it can be easily understood and navigated. But such explanations, particularly binary ones grounded in claimed moral certainty, are virtually always vague, and thus are virtually never valuable in understanding.
JD50 said:
It's hard to pin down what truely motivates Bush and his enablers on this issue and many others.
The simplistic ones are purely political and his ardent religious beliefs.
Reducing complex and poorly understood phenomena to a simpler explanation is also the underlying human impulse for science.
The problem, of course, is that science operates with an attempt at rigor in its use of evidence but passionately held personal and political opinions are usually not willing to wade through evidence which may not neatly fit into a hypothesis about how the world works in the political realm.
I would certainly not exempt myself from that accusation from time to time.
However, what needs to be examined and refuted is the apparent worldview adopted by those currently in power. It is their choice to espouse a set of views that dovetail with those of Manichaeism.
If those who want to criticize them on that ground are to be refuted, they are completely free to deny the similarities. However, this puts the President and his enablers on the uncomfortable ground, for them, of arguing from evidence which they cannot readily manipulate.
It's hard to pin down what truely motivates Bush and his enablers on this issue and many others.
The simplistic ones are purely political and his ardent religious beliefs.
Reducing complex and poorly understood phenomena to a simpler explanation is also the underlying human impulse for science.
The problem, of course, is that science operates with an attempt at rigor in its use of evidence but passionately held personal and political opinions are usually not willing to wade through evidence which may not neatly fit into a hypothesis about how the world works in the political realm.
I would certainly not exempt myself from that accusation from time to time.
However, what needs to be examined and refuted is the apparent worldview adopted by those currently in power. It is their choice to espouse a set of views that dovetail with those of Manichaeism.
If those who want to criticize them on that ground are to be refuted, they are completely free to deny the similarities. However, this puts the President and his enablers on the uncomfortable ground, for them, of arguing from evidence which they cannot readily manipulate.
zinfamous
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Big Pharma/Med don't do ES cell research. (They don't represent the primary level in this system--only when research provides a feasible application (many, many years later), do the private Pharm/Med industries get involved). The majority of this research comes from academia. Aside from the the few private institutions that have far too much money to begin with (e.g. Harvard), Universities and the PIs (Private Investigator) that the Universities depend on to do this research absolutely require federal money.
Perhaps this is where a lot of the confusion comes from the general public? It seems that many aren't aware of how research proceeds, and what institution is responsible for each aspect of the process.
And this is the big problem we have in catching up with the rest of the world when we eventually do sweep away the mess that Bush has created. Once we roll back his vetos we will still have ~10+ years of R&D to get to the stage everyone else would be at. (Fortunately, the research community tends to be rather accomodating, in that information is generally desiminated freely and quickly--assuming that the work has already been published)
It is so appropriate that men can't be saved since it is them that have been so against women in every way.
6-28-2007 Scientists make Stem cells created from unfertized eggs
NEW YORK - Scientists say they've created embryonic stem cells by stimulating unfertilized eggs, a significant step toward producing transplant tissue that's genetically matched to women.
The advance suggests that someday, a woman who wants a transplant to treat a condition like diabetes or a spinal cord injury could provide eggs to a lab, which in turn could create tissue that her body wouldn't reject.
The new work tries another tack: stimulating a woman's unfertilized egg to begin embryonic development. Scientists believe this development can't continue long enough to produce a baby, but as the new work shows, it can produce stem cells that are genetically matched to the egg donor.
Such an approach could not provide matched cells for men, of course.
Ronald M. Green, a Dartmouth College ethicist, said he believes the egg-stimulation process will prove an ethically acceptable way to create stem cells.
"People will see that these are activated eggs ... they do not of themselves ever develop into a human being," he said. "This is not anything biologically or morally like a human embryo, and it's a very good way of trying to provide human embryonic stem cells that does not involve the destruction of an embryo."
But the Rev. Tad Pacholczyk of the National Catholic Bioethics Center in Philadelphia disagreed.
"My view is that if these grow as organized embryos for the first few days and then arrest, they may just be very short-lived human beings," he said.
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Of course the religious nuts are still against it.
AnitaPeterson
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That's nearly impossible... since the OP has set such high standards...
The guy should be castrated before he has the chance to spawn.
Don't worry, no Keith Jr.'s running around. Maybe never.. we'll see.
Thanks for that article, Dave. I have no problem whatsoever with women forefeiting their unfertilized eggs for stem cell growth. I have a hunch though that there would be some women who would never do it, as that donated egg is one less chance to have a baby. But it's "no skin off my back".
Thanks for that article, Dave. I have no problem whatsoever with women forefeiting their unfertilized eggs for stem cell growth. I have a hunch though that there would be some women who would never do it, as that donated egg is one less chance to have a baby. But it's "no skin off my back".
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