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PhIlLy ChEeSe

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With that spare smps my pc working just fine even at 60 C without restart...what does it means...???


I suggest you list the full system spec's so as to be helped properly, CPU, GPU, memory, HDD, PSU, cooling, etc. Also the age of the unit, do you leave it running all the time? Software will never give you a proper reading, from reading your postings I would think it is a heat issue not a PSU. But as you have not listed everything, we can not give you the help you need. Also list the operating system and how long you been using it.
 

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I suggest you list the full system spec's so as to be helped properly, CPU, GPU, memory, HDD, PSU, cooling, etc. Also the age of the unit, do you leave it running all the time? Software will never give you a proper reading, from reading your postings I would think it is a heat issue not a PSU. But as you have not listed everything, we can not give you the help you need. Also list the operating system and how long you been using it.

System specs:
Cpu - intel pentium dual core e2140
Mobo - asus p5kpl am/Ps
Hdd - 1) seagate sata 250GB 2) seagate ide 20gb
Graphics card - nvidia 210 512MB
Psu - zebronics 450W
Os - Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit

I havnt used my pc from last 5 months bcoz my previous intel core 2 duo cpu crashed...now after 5 months i want to use my pc so i took that pentium cpu from my friend...and I'm facing all this problems...my systems age is more than 3 years...i think everything i have told u nothing left behind...
 

BigChickenJim

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System specs:
Cpu - intel pentium dual core e2140
Mobo - asus p5kpl am/Ps
Hdd - 1) seagate sata 250GB 2) seagate ide 20gb
Graphics card - nvidia 210 512MB
Psu - zebronics 450W
Os - Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit

I havnt used my pc from last 5 months bcoz my previous intel core 2 duo cpu crashed...now after 5 months i want to use my pc so i took that pentium cpu from my friend...and I'm facing all this problems...my systems age is more than 3 years...i think everything i have told u nothing left behind...

That isn't exactly the world's best PSU, especially if it has some age on it. I know you're resistant to this idea, but you're going to have to get a multimeter and check the rails. It's the only way to ascertain what's going on outside of a PSU swap.
 

vjcool007

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That isn't exactly the world's best PSU, especially if it has some age on it. I know you're resistant to this idea, but you're going to have to get a multimeter and check the rails. It's the only way to ascertain what's going on outside of a PSU swap.

What after checking using multimeter...??? What shoul i do if it shows me any problem...actually i don't have any electrical knowledge...
 

BigChickenJim

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EDIT: I just saw your most recent post. If it is showing the same reading with a different PSU then it is almost certainly a BIOS error. You can (and should) still buy a multimeter and double check, but you're probably fine on the voltage side of things. As long as it's an anomalous reading you don't have much to worry about. It never hurts to check the rails with a meter, though.

However, that still leaves us with the restarting issue. Fire up HWMonitor both at idle and at load and either post screenshots of the temperatures or simply list them for us. Your issue is likely temp-related, though it's possible that you got a bad chip or faulty mobo.

Here are some other questions that will help us:

1. Did the system function normally with your friend's PSU hooked up or did it still restart incessantly?

2. How long did your friend run with that CPU? Did he have any issues with it?

3. Did this issue crop up as soon as you fired up the comp with the new chip, or was it stable for a while before this began occuring?

4. Do you have any dead fans or dust bunnies inside the case?

5. Did you make any other alterations when you replaced the CPU?

6. When you say your previous CPU "crashed," what do you mean? Did it stop functioning entirely? Was it unstable? Did it display the same behavior you're seeing now?

7. What kind of CPU cooler are you using?


Answer those questions and I think we'll be able to get to the bottom of the issue.
 
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vjcool007

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EDIT: I just saw your most recent post. If it is showing the same reading with a different PSU then it is almost certainly a BIOS error. You can (and should) still buy a multimeter and double check, but you're probably fine on the voltage side of things. As long as it's an anomalous reading you don't have much to worry about. It never hurts to check the rails with a meter, though.

However, that still leaves us with the restarting issue. Fire up HWMonitor both at idle and at load and either post screenshots of the temperatures or simply list them for us. Your issue is likely temp-related, though it's possible that you got a bad chip or faulty mobo.

Here are some other questions that will help us:

1. Did the system function normally with your friend's PSU hooked up or did it still restart incessantly?

2. How long did your friend run with that CPU? Did he have any issues with it?

3. Did this issue crop up as soon as you fired up the comp with the new chipthis issue crop up as soon as you fired up the comp with the new chip, or was it stable for a while before this began occuring?

4. Do you have any dead fans or dust bunnies inside the case?

5. Did you make any other alterations when you replaced the CPU?

6. When you say your previous CPU "crashed," what do you mean? Did it stop functioning entirely? Was it unstable? Did it display the same behavior you're seeing now?

7. What kind of CPU cooler are you using?


Answer those questions and I think we'll be able to get to the bottom of the issue.

Answers for all questions :

1) Yes...my system works very well with my friends psu even at 60 to 70 c temp without restarting my pc...

2) My friend also used that cpu more than 2years and he was not facing any problem like mine...

3) This issue crop up as soon as you fired up the comp with the new chip...

4) I don't have any dead fan but as i haven't used my pc for last 4 to 5 months lots of dust is their...

5) No i haven't done any alteration...

6) My previous cpu crashed...i don't know how...it was not giving display...that cpu was not giving any problem like now I'm facing...

7) I'm using intela stock cooler which comes with cpu...

Hope all this answers will help u to help me...thanks a lot in advance...
 

BigChickenJim

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Ok, thanks for taking the time to answer those questions. What I believe we've got here is two separate but possibly correlated issues. Here's my theory:

Your answer to #1 tells me relatively definitively that there is something wrong with your PSU. What exactly that could be is difficult to say without you running a multimeter test or me having your rig in front of me. Restarting could be caused by both too much power and too little power, but I'd be willing to bet that in your case it's the former.

My reasoning here is twofold. First, the faulty BIOS readings appear with both the good and the bad PSU. That tells me that there is a problem with the sensor on the motherboard. Second, since I'm assuming that the sensor used to work correctly, I must also assume that something may have happened to it in order to make it fail. Undervolting would not do this, but I'd imagine that high levels of erratic current could. Basically, I believe that your board sensor has been fried by incorrect high power flow.

The error makes the sensor completely useless as a tool; it could read 1k volts or .0001 volts and it still wouldn't tell us what's going on. However, the actual incorrect number is of no consequence; what matters is the limitation it puts on your ability to assess the situation. I believe that this erroneous reading is masking the true voltage fluctuations occurring in your system. They may not be as high as the erroneous reading or they may even be higher (unlikely since something probably would have exploded), but we can't be sure. Regardless, you have a power problem.
Those probably high levels of power are likely tripping a failsafe on your board or CPU. I couldn't tell you exactly what the trip point is or even how it operates since I'm short on time and unable to do that level of research right now. Whether that failsafe is being tripped by the issue directly (solely because of voltage) or indirectly (due to the high temperatures created in certain areas by very high voltage) is hard for me to say and is, frankly, irrelevant. What matters is that something bad is happening and that it has something to do with your PSU.

It is important for me to note that it is possible--unlikely in my mind, but possible--that the erroneous BIOS reading and the PSU's failure are entirely unrelated and you are just a victim of unfortunate circumstances. However, whether the two issues are related to one another is secondary to the shared end result: your computer doesn't work properly with your PSU.

That, then, brings us to the question of where this leaves you. The easiest solution here is obviously to purchase a new, better-quality PSU. You can find 80+ Bronze units like these for around 50 bucks. That's a quick, simple, easy fix and it would be the route I'd take. I know you mentioned earlier that you can't afford a new PSU and perhaps this isn't any of my business, but if you can't come up with $50 for a repair then you may have more pressing issues than your computer.

That said, there is one other thing you could try: cleaning your PSU. I believe that all roads will lead to having to swap out your PSU, but I suppose it couldn't hurt to exhaust all available options if you are so inclined. You mentioned that your computer is very dusty--dust is the arch nemesis of proper PSU operation. If the PSU is overheating or if its fan is unable to spin it could be tripping a failsafe (if it has one) and shutting off, causing your restarts. I don't think this is as likely as the PSU's power output being borked, but it's easy enough to clean a PSU and there is always a chance that I'm a moron and am completely wrong. It never hurts to double check.

Outside of that, there's not much else I can suggest. I'm not exactly an electrical engineer, so the nitty-gritty of PSU operation is not something I'm comfortable delving into. However, I can tell you from a hobbyist's perspective that operating with a faulty PSU is extremely dangerous to your system and should be rectified as quickly as possible.
 
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vjcool007

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Ok, thanks for taking the time to answer those questions. What I believe we've got here is two separate but possibly correlated issues. Here's my theory:

Your answer to #1 tells me relatively definitively that there is something wrong with your PSU. What exactly that could be is difficult to say without you running a multimeter test or me having your rig in front of me. Restarting could be caused by both too much power and too little power, but I'd be willing to bet that in your case it's the former.

My reasoning here is twofold. First, the faulty BIOS readings appear with both the good and the bad PSU. That tells me that there is a problem with the sensor on the motherboard. Second, since I'm assuming that the sensor used to work correctly, I must also assume that something may have happened to it in order to make it fail. Undervolting would not do this, but I'd imagine that high levels of erratic current could. Basically, I believe that your board sensor has been fried by incorrect high power flow.

The error makes the sensor completely useless as a tool; it could read 1k volts or .0001 volts and it still wouldn't tell us what's going on. However, the actual incorrect number is of no consequence; what matters is the limitation it puts on your ability to assess the situation. I believe that this erroneous reading is masking the true voltage fluctuations occurring in your system. They may not be as high as the erroneous reading or they may even be higher (unlikely since something probably would have exploded), but we can't be sure. Regardless, you have a power problem.
Those probably high levels of power are likely tripping a failsafe on your board or CPU. I couldn't tell you exactly what the trip point is or even how it operates since I'm short on time and unable to do that level of research right now. Whether that failsafe is being tripped by the issue directly (solely because of voltage) or indirectly (due to the high temperatures created in certain areas by very high voltage) is hard for me to say and is, frankly, irrelevant. What matters is that something bad is happening and that it has something to do with your PSU.

It is important for me to note that it is possible--unlikely in my mind, but possible--that the erroneous BIOS reading and the PSU's failure are entirely unrelated and you are just a victim of unfortunate circumstances. However, whether the two issues are related to one another is secondary to the shared end result: your computer doesn't work properly with your PSU.

That, then, brings us to the question of where this leaves you. The easiest solution here is obviously to purchase a new, better-quality PSU. You can find 80+ Bronze units like these for around 50 bucks. That's a quick, simple, easy fix and it would be the route I'd take. I know you mentioned earlier that you can't afford a new PSU and perhaps this isn't any of my business, but if you can't come up with $50 for a repair then you may have more pressing issues than your computer.

That said, there is one other thing you could try: cleaning your PSU. I believe that all roads will lead to having to swap out your PSU, but I suppose it couldn't hurt to exhaust all available options if you are so inclined. You mentioned that your computer is very dusty--dust is the arch nemesis of proper PSU operation. If the PSU is overheating or if its fan is unable to spin it could be tripping a failsafe (if it has one) and shutting off, causing your restarts. I don't think this is as likely as the PSU's power output being borked, but it's easy enough to clean a PSU and there is always a chance that I'm a moron and am completely wrong. It never hurts to double check.

Outside of that, there's not much else I can suggest. I'm not exactly an electrical engineer, so the nitty-gritty of PSU operation is not something I'm comfortable delving into. However, I can tell you from a hobbyist's perspective that operating with a faulty PSU is extremely dangerous to your system and should be rectified as quickly as possible.

Thanks a lot for giving me such a big reply...from ur thus reply i got better idea and some questions tooo...my question is that with spare psu its working very well even if its showing high voltage in bios but with that psu my pc is not restarting but its still showing me high voltage...that means problem is in motherboard sensors they r showing me wrong readings right...now ill definitely try to check readings with multimeter as u sugested...thanks a lot man...but still ill need ur help...ill pm u when if i have any problem...
 

vjcool007

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Ok, sounds good.

Hey man look at this my 5v voltage is back to normal...I'm just using that spare psu...but still high tepm problem is their for that soon I'm going to buy a good quality thermal paste...
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vjcool007

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Ok, sounds good.

Hey man I'm back with new problem...now I'm facing screen off problem...when i start my pc after few mins monitor gets off but my cpu doesn't get of it keeps on running but no display...why this happening...plzz help me...and mow my cpu is not heating now the chipset next to cpu is getting overheated...
 
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BigChickenJim

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Hey man I'm back with new problem...now I'm facing screen off problem...when i start my pc after few mins monitor gets off but my cpu doesn't get of it keeps on running but no display...why this happening...plzz help me...and mow my cpu is not heating now the chipset next to cpu is getting overheated...

1. Are you using the spare PSU when this happens?

2. What makes you think the chipset is overheating? Your northbridge temps look fine, but your CPU idle temps are a tad high.

3. Do these display losses occur at idle or under load? If they happen at idle, how long does it take after boot?
 
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vjcool007

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1. Are you using the spare PSU when this happens?

2. What makes you think the chipset is overheating? Your northbridge temps look fine, but your CPU idle temps are a tad high.

3. Do these display losses occur at idle or under load? If they happen at idle, how long does it take after boot?

1) yes I'm using spare psu...

2) When cpu was running i opened cpu case and touched back side of the chipset

3) this happens under load even small loads also like playing movies

I don't know what's wrong going with may pc...I'm really very tried of all this things...i really need my pc running as it previouslly was...right now my financial condition is not good thata why i can't afford to by new rig...plzzz dude help me yar...
 

BigChickenJim

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1) yes I'm using spare psu...

2) When cpu was running i opened cpu case and touched back side of the chipset

3) this happens under load even small loads also like playing movies

I don't know what's wrong going with may pc...I'm really very tried of all this things...i really need my pc running as it previouslly was...right now my financial condition is not good thata why i can't afford to by new rig...plzzz dude help me yar...

On its face, this sounds like a GPU issue. However, given your previous situation it could also be motherboard-related. Download Prime95 and run the blend test. Stop the test if your CPU or northbridge temp crosses 70C or after 15 minutes if you don't crash. That's all the time you'll need to produce a crash if the issue is CPU or chipset related.
 

vjcool007

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On its face, this sounds like a GPU issue. However, given your previous situation it could also be motherboard-related. Download Prime95 and run the blend test. Stop the test if your CPU or northbridge temp crosses 70C or after 15 minutes if you don't crash. That's all the time you'll need to produce a crash if the issue is CPU or chipset related.

I tried without gpu and with gpu at both time I'm facing same problem...and about prim95 that also i have tried but when i start that blend test after few secs screen goes blank but cpu doesn't stop keeps on running...
 

vjcool007

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Now my system doesn't give display any more...whenever i start my pc cpu cooler fan starts spinig but nothing happens after that...just black display...not even bios disply its not getting hot that much then why its happening...plzz someone help...
 
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PhIlLy ChEeSe

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On its face, this sounds like a GPU issue. However, given your previous situation it could also be motherboard-related. Download Prime95 and run the blend test. Stop the test if your CPU or northbridge temp crosses 70C or after 15 minutes if you don't crash. That's all the time you'll need to produce a crash if the issue is CPU or chipset related.


Why not run Furmaark n make SURE the GPU is dead! The system does not run as it is but you want him to run prime, seriously?

He wont take advice such as get a multi meter to take measurements, he stated the computer was full of dust. New PSU or not an old CPU that is over heated(and GPU) will show this stuff. Not to mention the PSU witch sounds like junk to begin with, hes gonna be spending money one way or the other.........................
Black screen is a dead GPU, replace it!!
 

vjcool007

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Why not run Furmaark n make SURE the GPU is dead! The system does not run as it is but you want him to run prime, seriously?

He wont take advice such as get a multi meter to take measurements, he stated the computer was full of dust. New PSU or not an old CPU that is over heated(and GPU) will show this stuff. Not to mention the PSU witch sounds like junk to begin with, hes gonna be spending money one way or the other.........................
Black screen is a dead GPU, replace it!!

Now pc doesn't even start also...when i switch on my pc my mobo gets power,gpu cooler fan and cpu cooler fan also spins but no bios screen nothing just power saving mode on monitor...i just switched my pc with just mobo and cpu but no post error msg nothing...how it should show any error bcoz ram is not their right...i think that's means problem is in mobo...