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5th Amendment dying? Court can force you to unlock your encrypted iPhone

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smackababy said:
Wouldn't giving the password (knowledge or thought expressed) be self incrimination?
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My understanding of this ruling is that the court sees a password as something you KNOW and therefore it falls under the 5th Amendment. Your fingerprint though is something you ARE or HAVE and you commonly give this freely, including on a glass at a restaurant, etc., therefore, they can order you to provide that "key" to access your data.

I don't agree with that necessarily, but that's my basic understanding of their decision. This ruling could impact other areas of biometric security systems if the courts aren't careful.

The mitigating step here is to simply turn off your iPhone when you encounter police and suspect they will want your phone. By default it requires a password the first time you login.
 
Blackjack200 said:
No. Would surrendering your filing cabinet key in DrPizza's example constitute self incrimination? No.
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I could refuse to surrender the key, but still surrender the filing cabinet, correct? Is it not the onus of the searcher to do the searching? Is it considered contempt to refuse to perform the duties of the investigators?
 
"Well, sir the phone has been modified for two-factor authentication the first being a finger print the second d being a RFID and the RFID chip is in your ass!"
 
What if I use my left index finger for verification when it's actually my right index finger and I tell the coper, "it's not working?" **slams the phone on the ground in a fit of rage and proceeds to beat the shit out if it with the heel of my foot**. 😀

Take that asshole feds!

It's like that joke about the blonde, a New Yorker and a Jew where a native wanted to turn their hides into a boat. So they had to pick one of three utensils to kill them selves with, one being a fork and the New Yorker says, "make a boat out of me will you!!!" and proceeds to stab himself with the fork. LMAO! :awe:
 
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