5GHz Phenom II X6 1090T Cold Air

[Markfw]

Jeesh guys... I was commenting that this is like the 4th or 5th thread about the SAME overclock. Have you ever seen anyone do that ? Maybe I live in CPU's too much.

Yes, once it using dry ice, once using Nitrogen, and here using a Corsair H50, but its the same chip, the same system and all the overclocks are over 5 ghz. It just smells like an AMD commercial ! out of his 29 posts, 25 are about the same chip, but in 4 or 5 threads, and the only difference is the cooling method ! If that doesn't smell like advertising, what does !

I even love AMD, and have a 1090T !

 

[flexcore]

Jeesh guys... I was commenting that this is like the 4th or 5th thread about the SAME overclock. Have you ever seen anyone do that ? Maybe I live in CPU's too much.

Yes, once it using dry ice, once using Nitrogen, and here using a Corsair H50, but its the same chip, the same system and all the overclocks are over 5 ghz. It just smells like an AMD commercial ! out of his 29 posts, 25 are about the same chip, but in 4 or 5 threads, and the only difference is the cooling method ! If that doesn't smell like advertising, what does !

I even love AMD, and have a 1090T !

Said once, say it again. You don't like it, don't read or post. Simple.

 

[Markfw]

Said once, say it again. You don't like it, don't read or post. Simple.

I am a moderator. I am SUPPOSED to read. And if its spamming, or advertising, I am supposed to ban users. If they don't act nice, I give them warnings. Thats what mods do. I am doing my job (and one I don't get paid for BTW)

And 25 of 29 posts about one CPU and one subject (overclock) smells like advertising !

 

[jacktesterson]

I do not want to be banned as I love this site but isn't this silly? How come I cannot give my opinion in public about a mods post but anyone else I could?


I'm done. I don't want tolose my account over something so silly

 

[mnewsham]

Jeesh guys... I was commenting that this is like the 4th or 5th thread about the SAME overclock. Have you ever seen anyone do that ? Maybe I live in CPU's too much.

Yes, once it using dry ice, once using Nitrogen, and here using a Corsair H50, but its the same chip, the same system and all the overclocks are over 5 ghz. It just smells like an AMD commercial ! out of his 29 posts, 25 are about the same chip, but in 4 or 5 threads, and the only difference is the cooling method ! If that doesn't smell like advertising, what does !

I even love AMD, and have a 1090T !

>implying he loves AMD
>has one AMD computer in sig out of eight, ONLY seven are intel

 

[Idontcare]

I do not want to be banned as I love this site but isn't this silly? How come I cannot give my opinion in public about a mods post but anyone else I could?


I'm done. I don't want tolose my account over something so silly

Since this post is directed at my mod-edit above, and the topic (expressing critical/negative feedback of forum members) is probably of value to all readers in this thread, here is the response I sent Bigystyle by way of private message (he posted publicly as well as by way of pm, I responded to the pm first before realizing there was a public post to address as well).

I do not want to be banned as I lovethis site but isn't this silly? How come I not give my opinion in public s out a mods post but anyone else I could?

It is important to me that your expectations are properly aligned.

First you should NOT find yourself publicly posting your opinion regarding your fellow forum colleagues if that opinion is critical (negative). Publicly posting positive feedback and characterizations is acceptable and encouraged. The proper venue for communicating critical (negative) feedback is through private messaging.

So just be aware that if you are publicly posting negative commentary regarding non-mod members in the forums then you are inviting infractions for that action alone and it is probably just a matter of time before you get bit.

Second, you need to be aware of the venue. The venue in CPU sub-forum is CPU, it is not the proper venue for providing negative feedback regarding moderator posting styles and persona. The ONLY acceptable venue for providing this feedback is the Moderator Discussions sub-forum.

This also includes any discussion a member wishes to have regarding clarification on a mod-action. Challenging a moderator over their posted mod-edits, even if just to ask for clarification, is thread-derail as well as mod-challenge. The venue for that discussion is moderator discussions sub-forum or by pm (as we are doing).

Your post, your opinion, was fine to express but you chose to express it in the wrong venue. You need to communicate that feedback by way of pm or by creating a new thread in Moderator Discussions.

Does this make sense?

Please no more discussion on the topic of moderation vs. member-posting in the thread here in CPU forum.

If you wish to discuss it any further then please pursue it in the correct venue. The correct venues are Moderator Discussions or by way of private message.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[Markfw]

>implying he loves AMD
>has one AMD computer in sig out of eight, ONLY seven are intel

2 or 3 years ago, I had 12 amd, no intel. I still love amd, but for folding, the I7 with bidadv wins. ppd/$ the 1090T might win. I get 12k ppd for just over $200 on a $120 motherboard. Intel is $300 on a $200 motherboard for 25k ppd, and another ram stick also.

Lets not derail this any more, I made my point.

 

[OCGuy]

Doesnt look like an X6 to me

 

[Markfw]

Doesnt look like an X6 to me

I just noticed... First, all 29 of 29 are on this one CPU. Also, he is disabling 2 or even 3 of the 6 cores just to get a high OC. What BS ! Thats the kind of stuff people over at XS do. We here at anandtech like CPU's we can actually use, overclocks that are stable 24/7.

At least thats the way I see it.

 

[HarryO]

I am a moderator. I am SUPPOSED to read. And if its spamming, or advertising, I am supposed to ban users. If they don't act nice, I give them warnings. Thats what mods do. I am doing my job (and one I don't get paid for BTW)

And 25 of 29 posts about one CPU and one subject (overclock) smells like advertising !

WTF were they thinking when they made you a moderator? All you do is complain like a whiney little bitch. Maybe if you paid attention to some of the posts you complain so much about you might learn how to OC that core i7 of yours the way it was meant to be. Fuckit ban me I don't care.


As discussed and amply explained previously in this thread, Mod callouts are never acceptable.

Also, cussing is not allowed in the technical forums.

Forum Guidelines: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=60552

The proper venue for expressing your feedback is the Moderator Discussions sub-forum.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[Markfw]

WTF were they thinking when they made you a moderator? All you do is complain like a whiney little bitch. Maybe if you paid attention to some of the posts you complain so much about you might learn how to OC that core i7 of yours the way it was meant to be. Fuckit ban me I don't care.

Well, I will take my 4 ghz overclocks that run 24/7 stable @ 100% load anyday over suicide runs.

For that matter, I bet my 4.1 ghz overclock on my 1090T will blow away any of his benchmarks that use multicore when he only has 3 cores @6+ ghz.

 

[zokudu]

Well to be fair he has posted these threads over the span of 2 months. He is not making a post every other day about the chip. I don't think that can be considered spamming. Is it a little excessive? Maybe but I would hardly consider it spamming or advertising.

 

[Markfw]

Well to be fair he has posted these threads over the span of 2 months. He is not making a post every other day about the chip. I don't think that can be considered spamming. Is it a little excessive? Maybe but I would hardly consider it spamming or advertising.

Well, not spamming. I should have said "marketing". Every single post is not asking for advice, settings, or usefulness. Just a high overclock that is worthless for any real use (disabled 3 of six cores, etc) trying to say how great the chip is.

Sure looks like a marketing ploy to me. I hate marketers.

 

[exar333]

If all 6 cores were in use, this might be impressive. I have to side with mark here that disabling cores and volting the crap out of this CPU, while questionably stable, is a little misleading from the title. The OP should really edit the first post to be upfront about what he/she did instead of coming clean further down the thread...

 

[busydude]

Wow.. so much hate on the mod? He is one of the nicest guy around. Geez guys.. give Mark a break.

I would have to agree with Mark here, he looks like a marketer.. he can just post all these OC'ing results in one thread he first created.

 

[aigomorla]

Actually, I've heard that Intel CPUs can have trouble with extremely cold temps. The AMD chips can run all the way down to 0 kelvin. It has something to do with the SOI process or something.

how can something work @ 0 Degree's kelvin?

Zero Point Energy?

I want a ZPM or as they call it in star trek, a quantum torpedo!

 

[Markfw]

If all 6 cores were in use, this might be impressive. I have to side with mark here that disabling cores and volting the crap out of this CPU, while questionably stable, is a little misleading from the title. The OP should really edit the first post to be upfront about what he/she did instead of coming clean further down the thread...

Actually, I don't think the OP came clean. Somebody noticed that only 3 cores were enabled (looking at his older first post) and then 4 enabled somewhere in this one. The more I thought about it, and the fact that no other posts by the OP had anything to do with anything at all, except these ridiculous OC's with cores disabled, that came to the logical conclusion that he was a marketer. Also, early on, he had links to his own website, which we demanded he remove and he did. Also, no advice is being sought, and no advice is being given, just bragging about a handicapped CPU that can be stable for 5 minutes at a high vcore and speed. I am not thread-crapping, I am relating my opinion on this threads value and content.

 

[aigomorla]

Meh... this isnt XS.

This thread is more about realistic overclocking, then extreme overclocking.

People here like to see 24h/7d values, and not 24min/7second values.

Any post with unrealistic overclocks will be shot down, its been done many times in this forum.

AT is not that geared at people looking to break World Records, or try to break them.

 

[Slappa]

I have reasons for why I post.

First off, I don't have a million cpu's. I bench mainly on this one, as it is my only 6 core chip. So yes, I have multiple results for the same chip...why would I not.

Yes I tried it under different cooling methods, I wanted to see how the chip scaled.

I am not advertising, or trying to spam....simply sharing my results. I thought that was partly what the overclocking section was for, showing others what a chip can do.....I've had enough experience that I don't really have any OC related questions either.

I can run my cpu at 4GHz 24/7 all day as well. Prime stable etc etc. I am just one who likes to push boundaries and see the limit of the silicon.

And as for disabling cores....you guys need to understand a few things about Phenom II. All 6 cores are highly unbalanced, example on my chip under stock cooling at 1.475Vcore (suicide):
Core #0 = 4500MHz
Core #1 = 4625MHz
Core #2 = 4500MHz
Core #3 = 4375MHz
Core #4 = 4500MHz
Core #5 = 4375MHz
(FYI all retail chips vary like this, I am showing what the average user can achieve)

This goes to show that all the cores are very different. Now going off this knowledge, my highest all 6 core validation with the stock cooler would be 4375MHz. All that potential hidden in a good core gone to waste. It's no secret that I'm not using all the cores, thats what the CPU-z screenshot says. I'm not trying to make it look like I used all 6 either... In fact I'm only using one core which is core #1....In the video I state core #1...andd:

5GHz Core #1, ....

No retail 1090T can hit 5GHz all 6 cores at this temp. None. You might see the odd golden chip, but that is rare. You want unrealistic? Go find the people with cherry picked chips (example is Mad222's Phenom II 965 that hit 5GHz in 25C ambients on air)

and at the mod, the overclocks are different....like I said you're sorta limited when you can't afford a tonne of chips....I chose to explore this chip in and out on stock, air, water, chilled water, and DICE

even if i did post my 24/7 results... which I do have....I would still get denounced as a spammer?

 

[jacktesterson]

I don't really see the point of "extreme overclocking"

What's the good of it?

I much prefer 24/7 stable numbers

 

[Slappa]

I don't really see the point of "extreme overclocking"

What's the good of it?

I much prefer 24/7 stable numbers

For me personally I have a few reasons.

I compete in benchmarking apps
It's fun
I like seeing the limit of the silicon, the limit of the current technology
Why not? If its a hobby you enjoy, pursue it and enjoy.


Yes it is not for the average joe just wanting some more everyday performance....but for those that are interested in the technology, the limits, and the process, it is fun and innovative.

I used to be all for the 24/7 stuff. But I got more and more interested in it as time progressed.

 

[Idontcare]

<------- Posting as a member

I have reasons for why I post.

First off, I don't have a million cpu's. I bench mainly on this one, as it is my best chip. So yes, I have multiple results for the same chip...why would I not.

Yes I tried it under different cooling methods, I wanted to see how the chip scaled.

I am not advertising, or trying to spam....simply sharing my results. I thought that was partly what the overclocking section was for, showing others what a chip can do.....I've had enough experience that I don't really have any OC related questions either.

I can run my cpu at 4GHz 24/7 all day as well. Prime stable etc etc. I am just one who likes to push boundaries and see the limit of the silicon.

And as for disabling cores....you guys need to understand a few things about Phenom II. All 6 cores are highly unbalanced, example on my chip under stock cooling (suicide):
Core #0 = 4500MHz
Core #1 = 4625MHz
Core #2 = 4500MHz
Core #3 = 4375MHz
Core #4 = 4500MHz
Core #5 = 4375MHz
(FYI all retail chips vary like this, I am showing what the average user can achieve)

This goes to show that all the cores are very different. Now going off this knowledge, my highest all 6 core validation with the stock cooler would be 4375MHz. All that potential hidden in a good core gone to waste. It's no secret that I'm not using all the cores, thats what the CPU-z screenshot says. I'm not trying to make it look like I used all 6 either... In fact I'm only using one core which is core #1....In the video I state core #1

No retail 1090T can hit 5GHz all 6 cores at this temp. None. You might see the odd golden chip, but that is rare. You want unrealistic? Go find the people with cherry picked chips (example is Mad222's Phenom II 965 that hit 5GHz in 25C ambients)

and at the mod, the overclocks are different....like I said you're sorta limited when you can't afford a tonne of chips....I chose to explore this chip in and out on stock, air, water, chilled water, and DICE

Slappa, I know you are well-regarded over on XS for your OC'ing skills and exploits with the X6. I have a vapoLS sitting in my basement that was mothballed in anticipation of being brought out to put on an X6 myself (real-life got in the way there though).

FWIW I think the bulk majority of the concerns here center around your not having much exposure in this forums, as your post-count would attest. Not that this is a bad thing, it really is a no-thing, post counts aren't badges here at AT, but just saying we do get a bit "battle weary" here at times because we do deal with a persistent parade of spammers (you don't see them because we clean them out for you all, threads are deleted, etc).

So don't take it personal, although I can see where it would seem personal at times, everyone here has the community's best interests in mind. If you had a deeper reputation here, post counts in the hundreds if not thousands, and a join date of 2006 or some such then there would be zero red-flags raised by your threads and posts. Not that you need to have these things, just explaining why your threads tend to get eyed with a bit of suspicion.

As a member, not posting as a mod, I say keep posting but do keep in mind that it is true that the community here tends to value the 24/7 stable overclocks over the suicide semi-stable cores-disabled shoot-for-the-moon CPU validation runs. You can gather this for yourself just by looking at the threads that surround your own. Not that this should dissuade you from posting here though, communities grow and expand by having a diverse background of contributors.

You definitely bring a unique viewpoint and perspective to the community, the mods here just want to make sure (as mods that want to protect the community from viral marketeers) that this unique perspective is genuine and not a case of the forum getting punked by viral marketing.

Based on our pm interactions in the past I think I can safely say you probably appreciate this desire as well.

:thumbsup: Keep posting, just be mindful of the target audience here at AT, we can be a fickle bunch at times but its with the best of intentions for all involved

 

[zokudu]

I just feel like you should cut him some slack. So be it if this is what he enjoys is suicide running his 1090T. Maybe someone does find this stuff interesting and thinks this thread is worthwhile.

Though honestly I don't really think hes a marketer. If someone was marketing a chip for whatever reason I'm thinking we would see a lot more of him hyping the chip itself and less about the different cooling methods. In his prior threads it seems there is more focus on the new LN2 pot or using Dry Ice rather then "zomg look what a 1090T can do"

Just my take on it though.

 

[Idontcare]

I just feel like you should cut him some slack.

Your post is after mine, as if you are responding to me, are you? If you are then be assured I have no qualms "cutting" Slappa some "slack".

I'm just trying, and perhaps failing at it, to explain why the thread(s) are viewed with some suspicion by the same moderators that we all rely on day in and day out to keep the spam and marketing crud out of this forum.

So sometimes they have a false-positive, how about cutting THEM some slack? No one is perfect, and all mods work for free, so you guys are getting what you pay for lol

 

[aigomorla]

I can run my cpu at 4GHz 24/7 all day as well. Prime stable etc etc. I am just one who likes to push boundaries and see the limit of the silicon.

Well i came into this thread late.

But i can tell ya, even if i was to post my 990X numbers for a quick cpu-z, the level of comments u got, would be par to what i would get.

This forum just isnt there in respects to XS and there Intel section.

People are still learning how to walk here, vs, the 50m dash over at XS.

Dont get me wrong, i think you did a good job, u shifted cores, to see which are better, this is actually what the pro's do.

Your OC methodology is on the dot, but people here dont know that methodology and will shoot you for doing the correct stuff as wrong.