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5900XT vs 9800 (which would you keep?)

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AkumaX

Lifer
p.s. the 9800SE is the 256-bit version

edit: yes it's the powercolor 9800SE C3, which does not softmod (it artifacts)

edit 2: even though at the moment people are voting for the 5900XT, i ran 3dmark2005 on them:

5900XT = 900 marks
9800SE = 1600 marks



edit 3: now i get to decide between a 5900XT and 9800(NP)

3dmark05:

5900XT = 900 marks
9800NP = 2100 marks
 
Originally posted by: modedepe
Originally posted by: Todd33
What is a 256bit SE version? You mean 256MB?
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256bit memory bus as opposed to a 128 bit bus
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I know that, but I've never seen a 256bit "SE", I thought 128bit defined the SE and EZ versions.


The first version of the RADEON 9800 SE will be made on simplified 6-layer PCB and feature 128-bit memory bus for 128MB of DDR SDRAM. The RADEON 9800 SE graphics chip will have only four active rendering pipelines. ATI Technologies again simply disables half of the VPU?s pixel pipelines and probably end-users should have a chance to re-enable them using tweaks in drivers or simply by re-soldering some resistors on the chip.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/v...ay/20030717153234.html
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: modedepe
Originally posted by: Todd33
What is a 256bit SE version? You mean 256MB?
Click to expand...

256bit memory bus as opposed to a 128 bit bus
Click to expand...

I know that, but I've never seen a 256bit "SE", I thought 128bit defined the SE and EZ versions.


The first version of the RADEON 9800 SE will be made on simplified 6-layer PCB and feature 128-bit memory bus for 128MB of DDR SDRAM. The RADEON 9800 SE graphics chip will have only four active rendering pipelines. ATI Technologies again simply disables half of the VPU?s pixel pipelines and probably end-users should have a chance to re-enable them using tweaks in drivers or simply by re-soldering some resistors on the chip.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/v...ay/20030717153234.html
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There are loads of 256bit SE models. 128bit is "supposed" to define the SE versions of the 9800, and a lot of 256bit SE cards are labeled as 128bit, but quite a few models are definitely 256bit.

Btw, does softmodding count as overclocking?
Also, is it a Powercolor C3 9800SE, or a different model 9800SE?
If you have no qualms with unlocking the pipelines via drivers, then it should be a good run against the 5900XT, and do better than it in DX9 games.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: modedepe
Originally posted by: Todd33
What is a 256bit SE version? You mean 256MB?
Click to expand...

256bit memory bus as opposed to a 128 bit bus
Click to expand...

I know that, but I've never seen a 256bit "SE", I thought 128bit defined the SE and EZ versions.


The first version of the RADEON 9800 SE will be made on simplified 6-layer PCB and feature 128-bit memory bus for 128MB of DDR SDRAM. The RADEON 9800 SE graphics chip will have only four active rendering pipelines. ATI Technologies again simply disables half of the VPU?s pixel pipelines and probably end-users should have a chance to re-enable them using tweaks in drivers or simply by re-soldering some resistors on the chip.
Click to expand...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/v...ay/20030717153234.html
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That's what defines a 9800SE--4 pipelines as opposed to 8 for a real 9800.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Ok but if this card has 256-bit memory bus how is it any different from 9800 Pro?
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It's only got 4 pixel pipelines instead of 8. However, that can often be cured by a softmod.
 
Ok then 5900XT.

5900XT will however be unable to play HL2 in DX9 and 9800SE even with 4 pipelines will, but I'd still take 5900xt for all other games then.
 
Then your 9800SE is basically a 9600XT. Now, this is the part where you have to figure out what you play. Specifically, if you must play any HL2 based game in DX9 mode, keep the 9800SE. If you're happy with DX8, then keep the 5900XT. It should be faster than the 9800SE in all other circumstances.

What you're seeing in 3dmark05 is basically another example. The benchmark employs good use of shaders and a few other DX9 features, I believe, in which the 5xxx series of nvidia cards are god awful at. If you don't expect to be in a situation like that, you'll be fine with the 5900XT.
 
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