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59 pent of Americans don't want Roe v. Wade overturned.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139841,00.html
A majority of Americans say President Bush's next choice for an opening on the Supreme Court should be willing to uphold the landmark court decision protecting abortion rights, an Associated Press poll found.

The poll found that 59 percent say Bush should choose a nominee who would uphold the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion. About three in 10, 31 percent, said they want a nominee who would overturn the decision, according to the poll conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs.

 
Originally posted by: zendari
Repost

And a year old to boot!

But to quote one of my liberal friends,
Not to mention we don't make Constitutional rulings based on public opinion polls.
yet you seem to want to make law based on public opinion when it comes to Abortion Notification.

hypocrite suits you.
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: zendari
Repost

And a year old to boot!

But to quote one of my liberal friends,
Not to mention we don't make Constitutional rulings based on public opinion polls.
yet you seem to want to make law based on public opinion when it comes to Abortion Notification.

hypocrite suits you.


Not like Zendari would ever use a year old article :roll:
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: zendari
Repost

And a year old to boot!

But to quote one of my liberal friends,
Not to mention we don't make Constitutional rulings based on public opinion polls.
yet you seem to want to make law based on public opinion when it comes to Abortion Notification.

hypocrite suits you.

Liberals have already done that since 1973. Is that suit tailormade?

And legislative laws are supposed to be based on public opinion. Liberals though have alienated the US public and lost control of the legislatures, so they rely on the courts. It's a good thing we have President Bush for court reform.
 
well first off the SC is never going to overturn Roe vs.Wade second even IF they do the states will step up to the plate and continue to allow abortion...like it or not it is here to stay.



 
Abortion is and remains a hot button issue. Overturning Roe v Wade is at the top of the wish
list for many in the radical right. Saw that 59% figure which I pressume is nationwide. But if you
poll just women you would get better than 70%.

What political party will risk national suicide by being the idiots that helped overturn Roe v Wade?

It appears maybe Bush will be stupid enough.------The subsequent election results for the R's won't be pretty if they do.------starting with a .7x50% in the hole will leave just 15% to pick up. And the Republican big tent will become a vacant lot in Washington DC.

I am betting the staus quo prevails with sunsequent republicans throwing red meat at the radical right on abortion for years to come.---but never allowing the overturn of Roe v Wade.

After all, that Santa Claus X-mas gift is supposed to be contingent on being good girls and boys. And the radical right has been anything but that on other items on their wish list.
 
The notion that life begins at conception is a profoundly persuasive one. The notion that all life is sacred is another one. The idea that all individuals are entitled to protection under the law, particularly when they can't protect themselves is too.

It seems, therefore, profoundly logical that abortion should not be done.

There are, however, some other problems. A fetus in not conceived volitionally and can be the product of incest or rape. Becoming pregnant could violate the conscious will of any fertile female. Only 50 plus a bit % of the population is female. No male has to face this issue so 49+% of the population are not at issue. It is a random event as to whether you are male or female. Any prohibition that applies only to women who had no choice in being women is, therefore, unfair.

Additionally, the notion that life begins at conception, for all its obviousness, has meaning only in the notion that life is valuable. There is no less real value in a sperm and egg just before fertilization as after. This is an effect of the mind. Abstractly and in reality we are talking about chemicals that have the property of life. Every day we probably do in millions of organisms at the same level of development. The human being there we impute via the imagination, via a capacity to empathize and imagine ourselves in a cell. But a cell hasn't a shred of consciousness and is not, by the remotest streach of the imagination, consciously human.

The woman who cannot abort but wants to, then, would be made prisoner to a cell that has no consciousness via the abstraction in the imagination of others. It would sort of be like telling men they will be killed if they masturbate, not that that wouldn't be a good idea. Think of all those potential babies.

Therefore, only men who have never masturbated have a right to vote in this matter.

No wait! Maybe that is too extreme. How about we let individual women make their own decisions. If sexual satisfaction is wanted but not the fertile fetus that sometimes, unbidden, implants itself because of the accident of sexual reproduction that, also accidentally, got introduced some billions of years ago, perhaps the reality that having that baby, unwillingly, while fabulous in the imagination, isn't so good an idea in the real world. Perhaps at a minimum it should be a woman's choice.

The real problem, I think, is that people, and men here in particularly, care more about their intellectual abstractions, as wonderful as they are, over the ill effects they would have on the lives of others in the real world. Such people, while having high ideals, are arrogant and lack compassion and a truly liberal comprehension. And when the irrational teachings of religion are added to the mix, the ideals shift from idealistic to fanatical.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
well first off the SC is never going to overturn Roe vs.Wade second even IF they do the states will step up to the plate and continue to allow abortion...like it or not it is here to stay.

Which is where it should be determined.

 
Abortion is and remains a hot button issue. Overturning Roe v Wade is at the top of the wish
list for many in the radical right. Saw that 59% figure which I pressume is nationwide. But if you
poll just women you would get better than 70%.

That is because the left has successfully engrained into peoples minds that if Roe vs Wade is overturned abortion is immediately outlawed which is false.

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Abortion is and remains a hot button issue. Overturning Roe v Wade is at the top of the wish
list for many in the radical right. Saw that 59% figure which I pressume is nationwide. But if you
poll just women you would get better than 70%.

That is because the left has successfully engrained into peoples minds that if Roe vs Wade is overturned abortion is immediately outlawed which is false.

When you control the media you can do almost anything...except win elections! :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Genx87
Abortion is and remains a hot button issue. Overturning Roe v Wade is at the top of the wish
list for many in the radical right. Saw that 59% figure which I pressume is nationwide. But if you
poll just women you would get better than 70%.

That is because the left has successfully engrained into peoples minds that if Roe vs Wade is overturned abortion is immediately outlawed which is false.

When you control the media you can do almost anything...except win elections! :laugh:
Right, that's where disenfranchising Democratic voters comes in.

 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: zendari
When you control the media you can do almost anything...except win elections! :laugh:
Right, that's where disenfranchising Democratic voters comes in.
I wouldnt call getting to vote 2+ times being disenfranchised.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: zendari
When you control the media you can do almost anything...except win elections! :laugh:
Right, that's where disenfranchising Democratic voters comes in.
I wouldnt call getting to vote 2+ times being disenfranchised.

You just hold onto that thought. It's all you have.... isolated incidents. Keep clinging like a dingleberry off the ass of a cat.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
And legislative laws are supposed to be based on public opinion.
Are you SURE you want to make this claim?

(I'll give you some time to think about it. See if you can imagine how following your "rule" might lead to chaos and to the creation of a number of laws you would very much choke on.)
 
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: zendari
And legislative laws are supposed to be based on public opinion.
Are you SURE you want to make this claim?

(I'll give you some time to think about it. See if you can imagine how following your "rule" might lead to chaos and to the creation of a number of laws you would very much choke on.)

There are already plenty of laws I disagree with. If the public does as well they can vote new people into office, kind of like how they rejected the Democrats for the last 3 elections, and gays too.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The notion that life begins at conception is a profoundly persuasive one. The notion that all life is sacred is another one. The idea that all individuals are entitled to protection under the law, particularly when they can't protect themselves is too.

It seems, therefore, profoundly logical that abortion should not be done.

There are, however, some other problems. A fetus in not conceived volitionally and can be the product of incest or rape. Becoming pregnant could violate the conscious will of any fertile female. Only 50 plus a bit % of the population is female. No male has to face this issue so 49+% of the population are not at issue. It is a random event as to whether you are male or female. Any prohibition that applies only to women who had no choice in being women is, therefore, unfair.

Additionally, the notion that life begins at conception, for all its obviousness, has meaning only in the notion that life is valuable. There is no less real value in a sperm and egg just before fertilization as after. This is an effect of the mind. Abstractly and in reality we are talking about chemicals that have the property of life. Every day we probably do in millions of organisms at the same level of development. The human being there we impute via the imagination, via a capacity to empathize and imagine ourselves in a cell. But a cell hasn't a shred of consciousness and is not, by the remotest streach of the imagination, consciously human.

The woman who cannot abort but wants to, then, would be made prisoner to a cell that has no consciousness via the abstraction in the imagination of others. It would sort of be like telling men they will be killed if they masturbate, not that that wouldn't be a good idea. Think of all those potential babies.

Therefore, only men who have never masturbated have a right to vote in this matter.

No wait! Maybe that is too extreme. How about we let individual women make their own decisions. If sexual satisfaction is wanted but not the fertile fetus that sometimes, unbidden, implants itself because of the accident of sexual reproduction that, also accidentally, got introduced some billions of years ago, perhaps the reality that having that baby, unwillingly, while fabulous in the imagination, isn't so good an idea in the real world. Perhaps at a minimum it should be a woman's choice.

The real problem, I think, is that people, and men here in particularly, care more about their intellectual abstractions, as wonderful as they are, over the ill effects they would have on the lives of others in the real world. Such people, while having high ideals, are arrogant and lack compassion and a truly liberal comprehension. And when the irrational teachings of religion are added to the mix, the ideals shift from idealistic to fanatical.

Very good post! :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: zendari
And legislative laws are supposed to be based on public opinion.
Are you SURE you want to make this claim?

(I'll give you some time to think about it. See if you can imagine how following your "rule" might lead to chaos and to the creation of a number of laws you would very much choke on.)

What do you think legislators are? When they write and pass the laws in this country it is supposed to express the views of their voters. Legality of laws is determined by the courts using precident and the consitution.

 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
What I wish is that they'd start using the aborted Fetuses (Fetii?) for stem cell and other genetic research. Why waste that material? 🙂

Jason
lol...it's those comments that create the other 31%...😛
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Genx87
Abortion is and remains a hot button issue. Overturning Roe v Wade is at the top of the wish
list for many in the radical right. Saw that 59% figure which I pressume is nationwide. But if you
poll just women you would get better than 70%.

That is because the left has successfully engrained into peoples minds that if Roe vs Wade is overturned abortion is immediately outlawed which is false.

When you control the media you can do almost anything...except win elections! :laugh:

When you control the machines that count votes you can do anything... including winning elections.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The notion that life begins at conception is a profoundly persuasive one. The notion that all life is sacred is another one. The idea that all individuals are entitled to protection under the law, particularly when they can't protect themselves is too.

...

No wait! Maybe that is too extreme. How about we let individual women make their own decisions. If sexual satisfaction is wanted but not the fertile fetus that sometimes, unbidden, implants itself because of the accident of sexual reproduction that, also accidentally, got introduced some billions of years ago, perhaps the reality that having that baby, unwillingly, while fabulous in the imagination, isn't so good an idea in the real world. Perhaps at a minimum it should be a woman's choice.

The real problem, I think, is that people, and men here in particularly, care more about their intellectual abstractions, as wonderful as they are, over the ill effects they would have on the lives of others in the real world. Such people, while having high ideals, are arrogant and lack compassion and a truly liberal comprehension. And when the irrational teachings of religion are added to the mix, the ideals shift from idealistic to fanatical.

Outstandingly well written...:beer:

FS
 
I would be happy if we could just get some judges that want to evaluate the law in light of the constitution as opposed to a judiciary that wants to make new laws.

Passing laws is the job of congress, seeing if thier constitutional is the role of the judges.
A role they have strayed so far from it is frightening even to think about.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: zendari
Repost

And a year old to boot!

But to quote one of my liberal friends,
Not to mention we don't make Constitutional rulings based on public opinion polls.
yet you seem to want to make law based on public opinion when it comes to Abortion Notification.

hypocrite suits you.

Liberals have already done that since 1973. Is that suit tailormade?

And legislative laws are supposed to be based on public opinion. Liberals though have alienated the US public and lost control of the legislatures, so they rely on the courts. It's a good thing we have President Bush for court reform.

you just argued for that very thing??? are you lost?
 
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