5870 vs 470 for an EVGA Fanboy

[OCGuy]

the poll shows overwhelmingly what this forum thinks.

You don't need a poll to know what this forum thinks.

 

[Attic]

If you took the respected reviewers from the well regarded computer tech/gaming sites and asked them the same question as the poll, I strongly believe that there would be a close or an even stronger % majority favoring the 5870 than what the poll is showing (currently ~9-1 for 5870)

IMO this is a compliment to the integrity and knowledge of the community here.

 

[retpitar]

I would like to say in 5850, even though I bought anyway.The 5870 performance of the GTX 470 is slightly higher than 5850 most of the time. It is true that in the few cases that can compete or beat the 5870, but in others up to 5850 will be left behind. However, the 470 device called the 350 dollars, I can not find to buy one so far, and can be seen in 5850, while as low as 279 dollars. For those concerned about heat and power SPA GB put in the end, a reference non-5850s, respectively, in both the 329 dollars. Only 5850 that now seems is to sit in the amounts of toxic 379 dollars, but of course this only if you pretend that you can buy 349 dollars in fact 470 GTX.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I would like to say in 5850, even though I bought anyway.The 5870 performance of the GTX 470 is slightly higher than 5850 most of the time. It is true that in the few cases that can compete or beat the 5870, but in others up to 5850 will be left behind. However, the 470 device called the 350 dollars, I can not find to buy one so far, and can be seen in 5850, while as low as 279 dollars. For those concerned about heat and power SPA GB put in the end, a reference non-5850s, respectively, in both the 329 dollars. Only 5850 that now seems is to sit in the amounts of toxic 379 dollars, but of course this only if you pretend that you can buy 349 dollars in fact 470 GTX.

Eh? English isn't like Latin, word order actually matters.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

I never did care for Shakespearean.

 

[Creig]

You don't need a poll to know what this forum thinks.

Are you going to be like this the entire time until the next series of cards come out from ATi/Nv? :\

It's pretty clear that the majority of AT video forum users are concerned about price/performance ratios. And as such, that is the general direction their recommendations will take. Yes, there are features and detractors that can tip somebody's preference one way or the other, but in general, it's all about price vs performance. Let's recap:

G92 8800GT vs 2900XT and (eventually) HD 3870 - Both Anandtech and AT Video recommends 8800GT due to price/performance
"NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT: The Only Card That Matters"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2365
(I purchase XFX 8800GT for $250 AR)


GTX 260/280 vs HD 4850/4870 - Both AnandTech and AT Video recommends 4850/4870 due to price/performance
"The Radeon HD 4850 & 4870: AMD Wins at $199 and $299"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2556
(I purchase Visiontek 4850 for $180 AR)


"ATI Radeon HD 4890 vs. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275" - Not a clear performance victory for either company, but the 4890 could generally be found quite a bit cheaper than the GTX 275 thanks to rebate offers that seemed to pop up every single week. IMO, the 4890 sold better than the GTX 275.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2745
(I purchase an MSI 4890 OC for a ridiculously low $160 AR)

GTX 470/480 vs HD 5850/5870 -
"NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470: 6 Months Late, Was It Worth the Wait?"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/...-gtx-470-6-months-late-was-it-worth-the-wait-
Generally, the price/performance ratio between the 5870/480 seems to tip most of AT Video's recommendations towards the 5870. In addition, reviews showing the high heat and high power consumption of the GTX 480 makes some people wary. The price/performance ratio between the 5850/470 makes the vast majority recommend the 5850, especially to those people who overclock.
(I actually hold onto my 4890 OC to await eventual price reductions now that both companies have competitive parts on the market).

So you can keep a death grip on your belief that the AT video forum is always ATi biased or you can realize that it's mostly about price/performance. And when price/performance doesn't make for a clear-cut recommendation, other factors such as power consumption, heat, noise and features play a larger role in purchasing decisions.

 

[Madcatatlas]

+1

 

[SlowSpyder]

You don't need a poll to know what this forum thinks.

You're 100% correct... This forum is just biased. The GTX470 is a much better part than the 5870. The GTX470 is fairly hard to find, and when you can find it the price is within spitting distance of the 5870. It uses more power than the 5870. It puts out more heat than the 5870. It's louder than the 5870. It's generally slower than the 5870. Obviously anyone who would suggest the 5870 is clearly just a biased AMD fanboy.

 

[RussianSensation]

Great post Creig!

 

[hdfxst]

I voted for the 5870.Overall it's the better card.

 

[MrK6]

Props to Creig, excellent post.

 

[evolucion8]

Eh? English isn't like Latin, word order actually matters.

I think that word order matters in every language, is just that the rules aren't the same.

Great post Creig and SlowSpyder

 

[Voo]

I think that word order matters in every language, is just that the rules aren't the same.

It matters in most languages, maybe except.. ahm latin for example (well iirc there are some rules for what was usual, but mostly you can change the word order without any problems). No idea about any more lively ones though

 

[evolucion8]

It matters in most languages, maybe except.. ahm latin for example (well iirc there are some rules for what was usual, but mostly you can change the word order without any problems). No idea about any more lively ones though

Quite interesting the fact that the latin is such complex and sophisticated language in which lots of language derivatives came from like spanish, french, italian, etc plus some dialects like the ones found in Spain.

Back on topic. OP, Enjoy your card, but the thread and the poll were useless, you wasted our times blatantly.

 

[BenSkywalker]

So you can keep a death grip on your belief that the AT video forum is always ATi biased or you can realize that it's mostly about price/performance.

If this were actually the case, why did so many people vote for a 5870 over the 470? While the 5850 may have a clearly defined edge in price/performance, the 5870 does not. In terms of what the OP was looking for, he mentioned explicitly his main concerns were heat/noise, those aren't nearly the factors with the 470 that they are with the 480. Yes, it is hotter/louder then the 5870 but not that much and the 470 does have superior price/performance to the 5870(~11% more money for ~8% more performance).

 

[gramboh]

It is hard to fault HD5870 (especially if you plan on playing a good amount of BFBC2)

However, I still think 470 GTX will be quite interesting for a lot of reasons.

DX10/11 loadtimes? Or did they patch that yet. I would probably go ATI, although I hate stupid driver issues like BC2 load time, no AA in ME2 until hotfix (after many people had completed the game). Not saying NV doesn't have driver issues, but things like that would drive me insane if I paid $400+ for a card.

 

[badb0y]

If this were actually the case, why did so many people vote for a 5870 over the 470? While the 5850 may have a clearly defined edge in price/performance, the 5870 does not. In terms of what the OP was looking for, he mentioned explicitly his main concerns were heat/noise, those aren't nearly the factors with the 470 that they are with the 480. Yes, it is hotter/louder then the 5870 but not that much and the 470 does have superior price/performance to the 5870(~11% more money for ~8% more performance).

The handful of sites selling the GTX 470 at MSRP are always sold out and the other vendors are pricing it similarly to the HD 5870 so I don't see how a 5870 is not a better deal.

The 5850 is still king though in price/performance.

 

[Tempered81]

You don't need a poll to know what this forum thinks.

Hard to find a pro-Nvidia forum these days. PCPER, XS, TPU, Anand, Beyond3D, OCUK, are all mostly Ati fans. GURU3d is like 60/40 Ati.

Maybe if you went to SLIzone, NVNews or EVGA forums (which used to be 95/5 Pro-Nvidia) you might see a lot of people chatting up ATi cards.

 

[MrK6]

The handful of sites selling the GTX 470 at MSRP are always sold out and the other vendors are pricing it similarly to the HD 5870 so I don't see how a 5870 is not a better deal.

The 5850 is still king though in price/performance.

Agreed. If you really want to bang on the "price/performance" drum, then grab a 5850. It's within 5% of the performance of a GTX470, but costs 20% less, and once you start overclocking both it's going to surpass it. In the end, the 5870 offers faster performance, the same or better overclocking, and runs cooler and possibly quieter, for ~$30 more. It seems like most people were willing to make that trade.

DX10/11 loadtimes? Or did they patch that yet. I would probably go ATI, although I hate stupid driver issues like BC2 load time, no AA in ME2 until hotfix (after many people had completed the game). Not saying NV doesn't have driver issues, but things like that would drive me insane if I paid $400+ for a card.

Last I read, BC2 slow loads is a DX11 issue, not specifically an AMD one. Although NVIDIA might have resolved it on their end, maybe someone has an update.

Hard to find a pro-Nvidia forum these days. PCPER, XS, TPU, Anand, Beyond3D, OCUK, are all mostly Ati fans. GURU3d is like 60/40 Ati.

Maybe if you went to SLIzone, NVNews or EVGA forums (which used to be 95/5 Pro-Nvidia) you might see a lot of people chatting up ATi cards.

I'm not so sure it has anything to do with being a fan of the company as it does being a fan of the product. Right now, the 5xxx products are just really damn good, and I think NVIDIA's inability to respond with a better product just led to their dismissal. In six months, the tables could turn.

 

[Tempered81]

the 470 does have superior price/performance to the 5870(~11% more money for ~8% more performance).

True, but only if it's found in-stock at $349. However, consider: 470 uses ~35% more power than the 5870, while being slower. It idles & loads @ higher temperatures despite having lower voltage & lower clocks in idle/2d/load while the 20watt Delta fan runs twice as fast cooling a 45% larger gpu to deliver again, less performance. And it takes two GTX470's in SLI to run three displays.

Ati's Eyefinity is a gimmick and can be thrown into the same category as GPU Phys'X, CUDA & 3dvision. Their appeal is debatable.

 

[Ayah]

I am a big fan of eVGA. However, nvidia just doesn't bring anything to the game.. So I jumped ship over to ati.

 

[Axon]

Hard to find a pro-Nvidia forum these days. PCPER, XS, TPU, Anand, Beyond3D, OCUK, are all mostly Ati fans. GURU3d is like 60/40 Ati.

Maybe if you went to SLIzone, NVNews or EVGA forums (which used to be 95/5 Pro-Nvidia) you might see a lot of people chatting up ATi cards.

To be fair, most of the reasonable people here are not biased toward ATI or nVidia. Instead, most recommend the best price/performance card for the dollar area someone wants to purchase within.

I loved my BFG 8800 GT, for example - still the best card I've ever owned, and an absolute quantum leap for me at the time. But now nvidia is a touch overpriced and Ati is making a great card, so it's hard for me to want to purchase nvidia, even if they have the product partners I like the most (EVGA, PNY). The 470 and 480 look like great cards, but they're priced a bit too high. If nvidia can bring the 480 down to $400 by say, September, they'd have a buyer in me (and I assume, in a ton of people).

 

[RussianSensation]

The 470 and 480 look like great cards, but they're priced a bit too high. If nvidia can bring the 480 down to $400 by say, September, they'd have a buyer in me (and I assume, in a ton of people).

To be honest even 5850 and 5870 are priced too high. It's been 7 months since 5xxx series launched. 5870 is selling for $400-420 7 months after launch. Right now every single card is overpriced other than $125-130 5770s. 5850 at least can be found for $270 but anything above that is just a complete rip-off. Also, imo a $400 Fermi by September is not going to be a good deal either since it's going to be very close to the release of ATI's Southern Islands (based on rumours). This has been one of the worst and uncompetitive GPU generations in a long time.

 

[thilanliyan]

You don't need a poll to know what this forum thinks.

As it was the opposite when nV was killing with G80 and G92. What's so surprising about that? If ATI were making some crap cards and the poll still favoured ATI then it would be a problem. They are making some good cards now so why shouldn't they be recommended?

 

[Axon]

To be honest even 5850 and 5870 are priced too high. It's been 7 months since 5xxx series launched. 5870 is selling for $400-420 7 months after launch. Right now every single card is overpriced other than $125-130 5770s. 5850 at least can be found for $270 but anything above that is just a complete rip-off. Also, imo a $400 Fermi by September is not going to be a good deal either since it's going to be very close to the release of ATI's Southern Islands (based on rumours). This has been one of the worst and uncompetitive GPU generations in a long time.

Agree. My point was simply that nvidia could take the price/performance crown if it really wanted to once its yields go up. However, I know from speaking to some of the nvidia guys at PAX East that this is not what they're looking into as a corporate strategy.

GPUs and RAM are just a rip off right now...remember 6 GB 1366 kits for $90 as recently as last summer? My OCZ kit was $89 after rebate...and my 4770 was $92