5850 just as fast as a 5870?

[MrK6]

Right I act like a child for for debating. More like I bring information to the mass and none wants to hear because BFG and his buddy said so and the mindless who need to agree. Let me tell you something about BFG that occurred 2 years ago, he also said SP made the biggest difference when I first joined the forum while I said fillrate and right combination of bandwidth. We had 20 page thread arguing back and forth. After BFG tested for himself in his 8800 ultra bottleneck investigation he found out that core makes biggest difference and than followed by bandwidth. So yeah BFG knows a lot of technical terms sure but I know a lot of math related problems and good at problem solving.

I don't need to defend myself with mindless drivel from you. You pick post that only applies to your agenda. In other words. Trolling.

You haven't done anything close to what is considered debating. If you have some slap fight with BFG going on, discuss it with him, I don't care. In regards to this thread, he produced a string of tests to defend his point, where are yours? The most you've said is "I tested this, and I've done that, yada yada yada" yet didn't produce a single result. On top of this, you've had several people who own the cards in question through their own experiences tell you you're wrong, and you've done nothing to rebut their assertions or back up your points (again, you have yet to debate). Now either go back and pick a point of yours that's been rebutted and defend it so we can have an actual debate or stop replying. If you don't understand how to do this, tell me and I will pick a starting point, otherwise don't waste my time beating around the bush.

 

[lavaheadache]

So, I just read about 3 pages and gave up. Aside from all of this bitterness, can somebody just give me an opinion (with current market prices and future CFX upgrades) about whether the 5850 would be a better buy over the 5870? Simple yes/no, why. I don't need to know the story behind the creating of the first 5850.

better buy as in potential? No . perhaps a better buy in price to performance. This is exscatly what these guys are attacking each other over. Kind of funny actually. Just be thankful we don't have Wreckage in here.

 

[hans030390]

I love how you stick and point but what about xbit and hardwarecanucks? These hardware sites are lying I suppose.

I don't need 5000 cards to tell you bandwidth is the culprit in minimum fps and even average frame rates when you compare to cards before it. Obviously you do because you've never understood how cards based on rasterizer operate in game.

I'm sticking around because, to be honest, this thread is full of lulz. Also, it's not hard to point out your silly logic and behavior. TBH, I could read both sides of this "debate" without knowing a thing about video cards. After doing so, it'd be pretty obvious that, well, I should be pointing at you.

I never said the sites you posted are lying. I think it's perfectly reasonable to accept, at first, that the 5xxx series are bandwidth limited. HOWEVER, BFG has done testing with the 5xxx cards that shows there's a good chance they need to look deeper. Perhaps it's not just bandwidth limitation. They're all reliable sources...you just tend to ignore things you don't want to hear. Sorry if you have an issue with BFG, but his tests make sense and can be pretty easily replicated by anyone else (I don't believe he's the only one that's tested it).

For what you're claiming, YOU'D NEED A 5xxx CARD. Where is the results of the "testing" you've done? Yes, that's right. You said you've done "extensive testing" yourself. On what? Something that isn't a 5xxx card? Then, to the level you're arguing, your points are partially irrelevant. Video cards aren't all identical, which I'd hope you'd understand (but you don't seem to, as you think the 4xxx series and 5xxx series should be compared like apples to apples).

BTW, linking to other websites IS NOT EXTENSIVE TESTING. However, that's all you've provided us. Do you see the issue here? We all do. You obviously do not.

I don't understand everything about video cards. But, based on reading everything everyone has provided on here, you are obviously a stubborn idiot.