5830 Delayed... AGAIN

[Hey Zeus]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17448/1/

After, what appears to be, two delays, there is still no official info about the HD 5830 which is now delayed even further. Partners are talking about February 16th but this didn't come from AMD directly, nor does AMD talk about it, so nothing is certain. As you know, the HD 5830 was scheduled to launch on January 25th and then it was pushed back to February 5th.

According to Digitimes, AMD's HD 5830 had an issue related to the PCB board circuits and has been postponed to a later date. AMD of course doesn't respond to market rumours or comment on unreleased products, but as always, retail/e-tail and partners are a bit more communicative.

Beside the GDDR5 support and the US $239 suggested retail price that was revealed earlier, there are still no detailed specifications about the HD 5830, but we guess that after this pull and delay everything can be possible and information like the suggested price can also be changed.

 

[lopri]

These are harvested Cypress, right?

 

[cbn]

US $239 suggested retail price

I am still amazed this Video card is only $20 less than HD5850.

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

I am still amazed this Video card is only $20 less than HD5850.

No kidding, I figured it'd be more like $209.

 

[andy5174]

I am still amazed this Video card is only $20 less than HD5850.

I would say pass to HD5830 and wait for DX11 nVidia card as I used to do if this was the case.

 

[cbn]

No kidding, I figured it'd be more like $209.

Well if the Newegg price ends up being $239 then that would be a significant improvement over paying $289.99 and up for a HD5850.

But if the HD5830 Newegg price ends up being jacked up like the HD5850 then I don't really see the point.

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

I would say pass to HD5830 and wait for DX11 nVidia card as I used to do if this was the case.

If you're seriously in the market for a 5830, there's no way you're going to be able after a DX11 card from nVidia. A 5830 is going to be better than average DX11 performance on a budget. The GTX 360 is going to be well above average DX11 performance, and definitely not on a budget, $300 minimum, probably more. If you're willing to spend $300 on a video card, there's no reason not to get a 5850 now, which contradicts the fact that you're waiting for a 5830.

 

[tviceman]

I am still amazed this Video card is only $20 less than HD5850.

Your math is off.

 

[cbn]

Your math is off.

Originally the HD5850 had a MSRP of $259.99.

However, I vaguely remember talk of a increased MSRP after launch due to yield issues of 40nm.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

If the 5850 went up in price it can never come down in price, and the same goes for the 5830 right? Who cares where this card sits in terms of price until the GT100 releases?

All 5xxx series cards have inflated prices thanks to the large stock of 4xxx cards still in the retail channel + the total absence of competition. So long as the 5830 ends up at the ~$200 mark after the Fermi is released its all good.

Probably an issue with the quality of the components being used on the board, shouldn't take too long to fix.

 

[Qbah]

I'm sure AMD is "delaying" the card, because it would compete against a GTX275/HD4890 in terms of performance. And it will cost more. The HD5850 and HD5870 were new performance category cards for AMD, so it was about beating nVidia and gaining market share. Since the HD4890 is still easily available and competes well against nVidia (especially price/performance wise). I'm sure they'll release it once the HD4890 supply dries up.

Where I live, it's like this:

HD5870 2800DKK
HD5850 2000DKK
HD4890 1200DKK
HD5770 1000DKK
HD5670 650DKK

GTX285 2400DKK
GTX275 1650DKK
GTX260 1150DKK
GT240 750DKK (GDDR5)


1000DKK = $190

As you can see AMD has everything covered here. Their cards give more performance for quite a bit less money. No need for a HD5830

 

[Skott]

One of the problems that the 5850 faced, and is still facing, was low chip yield. I'm thinking the 5830 will have the same problem so the price is going to be higher than MSRP just like the 5850. I got a feeling their pricing is going to be pretty close to one another. Might as well just go buy a 5850 at this point I'm thinking if this turns out to be true.

 

[Phil1977]

Wake up guys!

ATI has no reason to launch a 5830. They would be silly. 5770s and 5850s are selling well. Nvidia has nothing to compete. Why offer another card?

PCB issues my arse... They are just holding it back...

 

[Udgnim]

Wake up guys!

ATI has no reason to launch a 5830. They would be silly. 5770s and 5850s are selling well. Nvidia has nothing to compete. Why offer another card?

PCB issues my arse... They are just holding it back...

because there's a void between the 5770 and 5850 for DX11 cards atm

 

[Phil1977]

because there's a void between the 5770 and 5850 for DX11 cards atm

Which sucks for the customer. But not for ATI. They are making more money this way...

Don't forget the 5830 will cost ATI the same as the 5850...

February we will see ATIs entry level chips. I believe these are much more important for ATI as OEM love putting cheap cards with DX11, EyeFinity, Displayport and all these fancy features into cheap boxes.

 

[Arkaign]

Which sucks for the customer. But not for ATI. They are making more money this way...

Don't forget the 5830 will cost ATI the same as the 5850...

February we will see ATIs entry level chips. I believe these are much more important for ATI as OEM love putting cheap cards with DX11, EyeFinity, Displayport and all these fancy features into cheap boxes.

This is the biggest thing to remember. I'm actually surprised a 5830 is on the boards at all. Remember 4830? That thing was only out a short time to fill a giant gap. They rapidly dropped it though, after the 4670/4770 became available, as making the PCB and using a full 4800-series GPU cost a lot more than the 128-bit stripped-down variants.

They could charge the same for a higher-clocked 5790, which would likely perform about the same, and the overclocking community wouldn't threaten the sales of full 5850/5870 cards.

If I had to guess, they're delaying this on purpose, and it may become vaporware. Business-wise, it makes no sense to release this now. Nvidia doesn't have anything worth buying ATM for 95% of people, and it'd be better to wait and see what they do first.

 

[Winterpool]

At last some (common?) sense... I've never understood the anticipation regarding the Radeon HD 5830. Economically it makes no sense for ATi to make it that much more appealing from a price/performance perspective than the HD 5850, given 1.) the less than bountiful yields for new gpus and 2.) the lack of compelling competition from nVidia. The reality is that, like any consumer good market, unless supply and competition increase, video card prices will remain high.

That said, like other punters, I don't begrudge AMD / ATi the chance to earn some $, given their parlous financial state (yes, I know they finally made a profit, but that was owing to the Intel payout).

 

[Jovec]

Many of you are arguing as if the 5830 is going to be off its own wafer. Aren't the 5830 chips partially defective 5850s/70s? Haven't we had numerous threads on their 40nm production problems and low yields. Hasn't AMD been stockpiling all those defective chips for the 5830 launch? AMD needs the 5830 to recoup some losses of it's 5850/70 production.

Maybe as yields continue to improve the 5830 might make less sense as there are less defective 50/70 chips. If it does they can always phase it out

 

[cbn]

Wake up guys!

ATI has no reason to launch a 5830. They would be silly. 5770s and 5850s are selling well. Nvidia has nothing to compete. Why offer another card?

I think ATI is planning on selling low bin/harvested/defective Cypress cores as HD5830.

In this regard it would be pure profit compared to throwing away chips that didn't make the "cut".

 

[Knowname]

But that brings us back to... when is 4890 gonna quit selling?? lol I'm betting they'll sell this on dx11's laurels and not before.

 

[Concillian]

Originally the HD5850 had a MSRP of $259.99.

However, I vaguely remember talk of a increased MSRP after launch due to yield issues of 40nm. no competition and high demand, so why not?

fixed

 

[Allio]

I wanted a "5830" before one was ever announced, but ended up getting a 5770 out of necessity. Of course the 5830's existence leaked about three days later. I was kicking myself for a while but now I think I probably made the right decision...

 

[konakona]

Well if the actual price hovers at around that or higher then the ongoing deal on the sapphire 5850 for $269.99 FS no rebates is starting to make more and more sense...

 

[Phil1977]

Same. I got the 5750 because it was affordable, quiet and had decent performance. Nvidia will be back and so will be better prices and more competition

But often you just need card and don't have the luxury to wait...

PCB issues is just a coverup Fact is the entry level cards coming out next month are way more important for Nvidia. With these cards, ATI can clean up with the OEMs because Nvidia has nothing that competes...

 

[poohbear]

I think ATI is planning on selling low bin/harvested/defective Cypress cores as HD5830.

In this regard it would be pure profit compared to throwing away chips that didn't make the "cut".

qft.

it's called chip binning. a chip doesn't make da cut, so u sell it @ a lower speed & call it something else. it would make ATI a $hitload more money rather than just discarding the chips.