58% of Germans Now in Favor of Autobahn Speed Limit of 80 MPH

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Either way they have their reasoning behind this. More people + more cars = lower speeds. Sounds like a plan.


You're assuming that since they're doing it, they must have good reasoning behind this. Germany isn't exactly known for voting for reasonable things. After all, they elected Hitler in a democratic election. But I guess they had their reasoning behind that...

Godwin's Law.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Either way they have their reasoning behind this. More people + more cars = lower speeds. Sounds like a plan.


You're assuming that since they're doing it, they must have good reasoning behind this. Germany isn't exactly known for voting for reasonable things. After all, they elected Hitler in a democratic election. But I guess they had their reasoning behind that...

Godwin's Law.

Ok, I take that back and substitute it with the fact that there is no reasoning behind this because no such law has been proposed. She didn't read the article, yet boldly proclaimed that they had their reasoning behind this.

That's not really a Godwin's law violation, anyway. I'm not comparing anyone or anything to Hitler or the Nazi's, I just pointed out that they voted for him, which is factually correct.
 

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

This from a guy named "RedArmy".

Exactly, fascism is for pansies, communism is where it's at (only on paper).

Remember, in Soviet Russia, car drives you.
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ

It sure would be nice if you filled yourself in on this stuff before you argue about it in a thread.

Yes I'm so clueless I'm going nowhere. Sheesh I'm glad you pointed that out. :roll:

 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Originally posted by: 91TTZ


You're assuming that since they're doing it, they must have good reasoning behind this. Germany isn't exactly known for voting for reasonable things. After all, they elected Hitler in a democratic election. But I guess they had their reasoning behind that...

LOL comparing current affairs to a political event over 70 years ago. That's comparing rotten tomatoes with pineapples.

Let 'em do it! We can tell who the speeders are in this thread. :laugh:

Hitler would say drive as fast as you want - then send his troops to Stuttgart and force Mercedes to fix every car so it exploded at 120 km/hr.

You sound like one of those clueless people who thinks that just because something happened a long time ago, it's no longer relevant and it probably won't happen again, only to have your shortsightedness fly in your face when history repeats itself. But it's doubtful you'll see it coming.

Besides, read the article. It's not a plan, it's just a poll. No law has been made. It's not Germany that wants this, it's the European Union that wants this to cut down on greenhouse emissions.

If you'd actually read up on what's happening, Germany is being pressured by the EU, but is resisting. In fact, in opposition to the EU's request, they recently voted to uphold the open speed limit.

It sure would be nice if you filled yourself in on this stuff before you argue about it in a thread.

An 80mph speed limit clearly has nothing to do with fascism. I find it more disturbing that people don't think twice about buying cars built by companies that made Hitler's war effort possible, voluntarily and in the name of profit--- including Ford, Mercedes, BMW, etc. Corporations have realized that they can do whatever it takes to make a profit, without repercussions from consumers 10 or 60 years later.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Originally posted by: 91TTZ

It sure would be nice if you filled yourself in on this stuff before you argue about it in a thread.

Yes I'm so clueless I'm going nowhere. Sheesh I'm glad you pointed that out. :roll:

It's nice that you say that, but you didn't say anything of relevance pertaining to the topic at hand. Are you refuting my claim that you didn't fill yourself in on the subject before posting in the thread? That's what it sounds like to me. Yet when I call you out on it, you don't directly deny it, you simply dodge my point and make a sarcastic comment.
 

Rubycon

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All I am saying is if there are speed limits imposed the autobahn they are finally making the road civilized.

Perhaps it's emotion speaking out - I lost both parents at a very young age (I was born in Germany) due to an accident involving high speed. So like the mother of a child lost due to a drunk driver I am biased. I'm not an "all speeders should be arrested and jailed" psycho either, but I would have a word or two to say about it. :p
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
All I am saying is if there are speed limits imposed the autobahn they are finally making the road civilized.

Perhaps it's emotion speaking out - I lost both parents at a very young age (I was born in Germany) due to an accident involving high speed. So like the mother of a child lost due to a drunk driver I am biased. I'm not an "all speeders should be arrested and jailed" psycho either, but I would have a word or two to say about it. :p

Aren't the autobahns in Germany safer than the highways in the US? When I visited Germany, the people weren't going much faster than they do in NJ. They were just doing it legally. In addition, they were actually driving the car instead of chatting on the phone.

I'm sorry if you lost your parents in an accident.
 

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Remember folks, theres a large percentage of folks in Germany that don't drive, don't have a license, or don't own a car. Theres plenty of alternatives to the car in Germany, cities like Hamburg, and Berlin have all kinds of mass transportation such as Buses, Trams, Passenger rail, & Subways. Every other large city in Germany offers all of the above except subways, and most mid sized cities offer everything except subways, and sometimes Trams. Bicycles is a practical alternative to the car as well, since you can basically ride it anywhere in the city, and even to other cities via trains... trains and trams in some cities offer special cars for bicycles and their riders. Even in the countryside theres bus lines that'll transport you back and forth to the larger towns and cities every hour or less.

So basically theres a large percentage of people that have been polled, that I bet don't even have a driver's license, or own a car... so of course a survey will show that most people favor speed limits. Most people that drive don't give much thought in regards to the environment, so I bet most won't favor a speed limit thats environmentally conscious, and the fact that diesel car sales are about to overtake gasoline cars is evidence enough to show drivers won't favor a speed limit. Also a speed limit will do nothing but hurt Germany's economy as mentioned earlier, most of the resources used to maintain the autobahn comes from fuel taxes, and if speed limits are introduced that cause even the slightest decrease in fuels sold, then it'll have a pretty big impact on Germany's budget for maintaining/building autobahns. The only way they'd be able to maintain their roads and autobahns is to start tolling the autobahn, and you better believe that it will never be supported in Germany, sure they got away with it with trucks... but it'll never happen with cars.

Theres already a recommended speed limit of 130kmh anyway, and the green party isn't in control in Berlin so it'll stay that way.
 

Rubycon

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Yes the roads, traffic systems are much better designed in Germany. The domestic vehicles are generally built better mechanically as well. But too many cars will cause slowdowns and when people are used to being rushed they tend to change attitudes. :(

I took a ride in a 911 before up to 240 km/hr and it was amazing how it didn't feel that fast but that would be crazy to do on the US interstate!
 

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Either way they have their reasoning behind this. More people + more cars = lower speeds. Sounds like a plan.


You're assuming that since they're doing it, they must have good reasoning behind this. Germany isn't exactly known for voting for reasonable things. After all, they elected Hitler in a democratic election. But I guess they had their reasoning behind that...

Godwin's Law.

Pwnt.
 

DrPizza

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Very interesting: a country that uses the metric system would choose a nice round number in a different system.


oh, never mind. I see that you just did a conversion for us and rounded it off.
 

Chaotic42

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Damn. I was hoping that they would influence us on this subject, not the other way around. If you can't drive a car at 90mph in good conditions on the interstate, you shouldn't be driving at all.

<--Speeder
 

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NO I've never even been to Germany yet! They have to keep it until I can afford a plane ticket and a 911 Turbo rental.
 

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honestly, all thats going to happen is a very small reduction in CO2 emissions and a whole lot more traffic jammage. people cruise at about 140-160 km/h, and the faster ones usually do about 200.

i think this is stupid, personally. if everbody stops using animal products (meat, cheese, eggs) we'll save a whole lot more Green House Gas.

therefore, i present my solution. i will continue to expel dirty gases from my car, but i will also discontinue my consumption of meat. and milk, to some extent.
 
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lol most german car makers limit their cars to 155 via a gentlemans agreement, but even so they seem to be on a crazy power trip, merc and BMW especially keep making cars with more horse power than the last. then brabus and AMG decide add even more.

their cars have enough power to start a war and enough torque to rotate the earth, but they'll cruising at pedestrian 80mph lol
 
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Originally posted by: cheapdude
People should be able to drive as fast as they cars can go.


the executive of a big german car company, possibly BMW, admitted to regularly commuting to work at 200mph in his Mclaren F1 :D

what a man.
 
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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
I've heard that most people drive at a reasonable speed.. I don't see how making the speed limit 80 will have a significant impact on carbon emissions, because only some people will be affected. It may even cause more Germans to choose to buy SUVs over sedans and wagons...

plus if its 80mph then people will still be able to do up to about 100 and not be bothered by te police.

the autobahn is probably a good reason why most german cars are so solid, they are designed to be a pleasure at 155mph. not like my focus that make your ears bleed at 100 lol

dig up some videos of Kim Schmidt, ****** nutter, doing the gumball in his CL3000 (yes CL3000, custom made CL for him by mercedes because he was too fat to be comfy in the standard car) he was just driving everywhere (even on the wrong side of the road in morocco) with the speedo pegged at 155mph. inside it was all quiet and calm and the car was totally planted.