570 GTX vs 6950 Toxic

[blackened23]

Why are you linking a cheap 1gb 6950 vs a gtx570 pricewise, and using a overclocked unlocked 2gb 55$ more exspensive 6950 card link for your benchmarks?

The 6950 toxic cost 270$AR (out of stock still) last I checked vs a gtx570 for 268.50$AR.
WHen both are overclocked and/or unlocked (if the unlock works)) the gtx570 still wins @ 1900x1200 easily .

Weren't you the one talking about how great the 570 overclocks earlier :whiste: Yes, the GTX 570 wins by 4 frames per second in 1 of the tests.
Also, the 6950 is far cheaper than the 570, i'm not even sure why your'e denying this. Take the average cost of every 6950 on newegg, versus the average cost of every 570 on newegg and tell me what you find. BTW, the 6950s start at 230, and most 570s are in the 330 ballpark. You can find some great sales here and there, but we're talking averages.

 

[RussianSensation]

Yeah, and that site is also using old drivers/application profiles. AMD released app profiles ages ago that fixed F1, the performance
gains were substantial (as noted in benchmarks documented above)

Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that AMD's Driver Profile app is only useful if you run Crossfire. I've never heard that AMD's profile app is supposed to improve single-GPU performance?

 

[blackened23]

AMD Catalyst Application Profile - 11.8 CAP3 (Release Notes)

New profiles added with this release:

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine - Improves performance on Single GPU configurations
War Inc Battle Zone - Resolves image corruption seen when enabling Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center
Call of Juarez The Cartel - Improves CrossFire performance
Rome Total War - Disables CrossFire support
F1 2011:
Improves performance on Single GPU configurations
Forced on Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center has been disabled
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Part 2 - Forced on Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center now works
LA Noire - Improves CrossFire performance
Need for Speed World - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD : The First Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD Demo: The First Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD : The Second Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Deus Ex3: Human Revolution(DX9) - Improves CrossFire performance
Shaun White Skateboarding - Improves CrossFire performance
MaxPayne3 - Improves CrossFire performance

I don't feel like digging more patch notes up, but they improve both single and multi gpu performance. I've downloaded 20 something releases and haven't bothered to keep the patch notes, but yeah, they do improve single gpu performance.

 

[Jacky60]

AMD Catalyst Application Profile - 11.8 CAP3 (Release Notes)

New profiles added with this release:

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine - Improves performance on Single GPU configurations
War Inc Battle Zone - Resolves image corruption seen when enabling Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center
Call of Juarez The Cartel - Improves CrossFire performance
Rome Total War - Disables CrossFire support
F1 2011:
Improves performance on Single GPU configurations
Forced on Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center has been disabled
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Part 2 - Forced on Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center now works
LA Noire - Improves CrossFire performance
Need for Speed World - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD : The First Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD Demo: The First Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD : The Second Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Deus Ex3: Human Revolution(DX9) - Improves CrossFire performance
Shaun White Skateboarding - Improves CrossFire performance
MaxPayne3 - Improves CrossFire performance

I don't feel like digging more patch notes up, but they improve both single and multi gpu performance. I've downloaded 20 something releases and haven't bothered to keep the patch notes, but yeah, they do improve single gpu performance.

Yes many CAP releases improve single card performance.

 

[badb0y]

AMD Catalyst Application Profile - 11.8 CAP3 (Release Notes)

New profiles added with this release:

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine - Improves performance on Single GPU configurations
War Inc Battle Zone - Resolves image corruption seen when enabling Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center
Call of Juarez The Cartel - Improves CrossFire performance
Rome Total War - Disables CrossFire support
F1 2011:
Improves performance on Single GPU configurations
Forced on Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center has been disabled
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Part 2 - Forced on Anti-Aliasing through the Catalyst Control Center now works
LA Noire - Improves CrossFire performance
Need for Speed World - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD : The First Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD Demo: The First Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Serious Sam HD : The Second Encounter - Disable CrossFire support
Deus Ex3: Human Revolution(DX9) - Improves CrossFire performance
Shaun White Skateboarding - Improves CrossFire performance
MaxPayne3 - Improves CrossFire performance

I don't feel like digging more patch notes up, but they improve both single and multi gpu performance. I've downloaded 20 something releases and haven't bothered to keep the patch notes, but yeah, they do improve single gpu performance.

Mind blown.

 

[WMD]

I dont understand how can single gpu be improved by installing crossfire profiles.

 

[blackened23]

a lot of them enable crossfire (since crossfire / sli game support requires a driver) but many of them also fix single gpu issues

 

[Slufa111]

I still dont understand why people are considering buying the 570 and 6950...when the GTX 460 is the BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK video out.

Not to meantion, in SLI is smokes a 1GB 6950, and a 1GB GTX 570. AND in some tests, beats a GTX 580

I dont understand why spend the extra money when scaling for SLI GTX 460 is almost perfect.

 

[Orija]

I'm getting this 570 for about 30$ more than the 6950 Toxic, the only that bothers me about it is its 1.25GB vram. Isn't that quite less especially while gaming at 1900x1200? I plan to use the gpu for around two years and I don't think it'll last with 1.25GB of vram.

 

[blackened23]

I'm getting this 570 for about 30$ more than the 6950 Toxic, the only that bothers me about it is its 1.25GB vram. Isn't that quite less especially while gaming at 1900x1200? I plan to use the gpu for around two years and I don't think it'll last with 1.25GB of vram.

Its fine for 1080p.

 

[houe]

The 570 and 6970 perform about equal in single card setups at stock speeds they are priced about the same maybe a little more the 6970.

From my research generally speaking a single 570 beats a 6950 (both stock) at all resolutions although the higher the resolution the closer the two perform. Add a 2nd card and they perform about the same but at the higher resolutions (above 1920) the 6950s start to edge out (AMD scales better). It depends on what you plan to do. If you are interested in running 3 monitors I think AMD is definitely the way to go (very high resolution). Most likely you'd need crossfire to run 3 monitors well. Now if you play only specific games then certainly that might throw you towards Nvidia.

From my testing on my 6950 (can't unlock) I can obtain 940/1360. However clocking the core much over 900 doesn't seem to yield much performance increase because its probably starving for more memory bandwidth. My point being even if you can unlock your core/overclock if you can't up the memory bandwidth above 1400 the added performance might not all be realized. I think most 6950s can overclock to around stock 6970 performance or a little more. I'm less familiar with 570 overclocking... Hope this helps.

 

[3DVagabond]

The 570 and 6970 perform about equal in single card setups at stock speeds they are priced about the same maybe a little more the 6970.

From my research generally speaking a single 570 beats a 6950 (both stock) at all resolutions although the higher the resolution the closer the two perform. Add a 2nd card and they perform about the same but at the higher resolutions (above 1920) the 6950s start to edge out (AMD scales better). It depends on what you plan to do. If you are interested in running 3 monitors I think AMD is definitely the way to go (very high resolution). Most likely you'd need crossfire to run 3 monitors well. Now if you play only specific games then certainly that might throw you towards Nvidia.

From my testing on my 6950 (can't unlock) I can obtain 940/1360. However clocking the core much over 900 doesn't seem to yield much performance increase because its probably starving for more memory bandwidth. My point being even if you can unlock your core/overclock if you can't up the memory bandwidth above 1400 the added performance might not all be realized. I think most 6950s can overclock to around stock 6970 performance or a little more. I'm less familiar with 570 overclocking... Hope this helps.

+1 :thumbsup: This post about covers it.

The 560TI 2Gb is the most comparable nVidia card to the 6950 2Gb.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...rder=BESTMATCH

 

[blackened23]

+1 :thumbsup: This post about covers it.

The 560TI 2Gb is the most comparable nVidia card to the 6950 2Gb.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...rder=BESTMATCH

Uh, not really, the sapphire toxic 6950 is basically a 6970, and:

But the 560ti sli'ed is comparable to 580 from i've heard (if you can put up with microstuttering)

However judging from all the sales, its hard to pass up a 570 in the 250$ range.....

 

[3DVagabond]

Uh, not really, the sapphire toxic 6950 is basically a 6970, and:

But the 560ti sli'ed is comparable to 580 from i've heard (if you can put up with microstuttering)

However judging from all the sales, its hard to pass up a 570 in the 250$ range.....

I'm not sure why you posted that chart to disagree with what was posted. There's no 570, 6950, or 560ti on it.

The 560ti in SLI is comparable to GTX 580? It would have to be faster than that, I would imagine. I don't recall any specific reviews though to check.

 

[houe]

Uh, not really, the sapphire toxic 6950 is basically a 6970,

Well it depends on how well the memory they put in the toxic overclocks. As I said, if you can't overclock the ram up to 1400 or more it really isn't as good as a 6970 even if the unlock is all but guaranteed. You need memory bandwidth to feed those shaders!

 

[Orija]

The 560TI 2Gb is the most comparable nVidia card to the 6950 2Gb.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...rder=BESTMATCH

The Sapphire 6950 Toxic comes with the 6970 shaders unlocked on the alternate bios setting of the bios switch.

I'd get the 570gtx but, you know, half the people I ask say that its 1.25GB of vram will be problematic at 1900x1280. That is perhaps the single biggest reason I'm reluctant to get it.

I don't plan to SLI or CFX later, or use 3D or multi-displays.

 

[3DVagabond]

The Sapphire 6950 Toxic comes with the 6970 shaders unlocked on the alternate bios setting of the bios switch.

I'd get the 570gtx but, you know, half the people I ask say that its 1.25GB of vram will be problematic at 1900x1280. That is perhaps the single biggest reason I'm reluctant to get it.

I don't plan to SLI or CFX later, or use 3D or multi-displays.

I know the toxic comes shaders unlocked. They aren't guaranteed to run with the unlocked shaders, though seems like most do. Definitely a value leader in a high end card.

I too think it's the 2Gig of RAM that tips the scale in favor of the 6950. That's why I suggest that the nVidia card that is most comparable, perf/$, is the 560ti 2Gig. It's a bit slower, but a 570 2.5Gig is too expensive IMO to justify it's price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130687

The 560ti is still decent value IMO. Especially if you O/C it.