560m vs 580m

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pontifex

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Friend is looking at getting a gaming laptop and he sees a nice asus on sale with a 560m card.


Found a site with some benchmarks for different games and the 580m seems to blow it out of the water, like 90% better for most games over the 560m.

Is it really that big of a difference?
 
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mwmorph

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Yeah, the 580/485M are the equalivent of a GTX460 1GB performance wise.

The 560M is a power optimized/up clocked 460M while the 485M/580M is more in line with a down-clocked and power optimized desktop GTX560.

192 shaders v.s. 384 is a big difference.

All said though, the GTX560m is not a bad card, it's just not a card that you would expect to run all games at 1920x1080 high settings.

If price is a issue, ask your friend truly why he wants a gaming laptop. Unless he has a truly legitimate need, there's no reason not to go for a desktop. I have a GTX485M but this thing cost ~$2600 when it was all said and done (and even now, expect a price of about $2k for a nice, balanced high end gaming laptop that would be maybe 1/3 the performance you could get for a SLI/Xfire $2000 desktop) and truly for most people that don't have a good reason (like the whole deploying thing), there is no reason not to go for a desktop.
 
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New 28nm HD7000 series Mobile graphics chips are out in a few months i would REALLY try and hold out for one of those chips as 40nm has been holding back mobile graphics cards for quite some time.

and the new low to midrange 7000 series cards will make the 40nm high end cards look like a childs toy at the same power usage level's

Check out the leaked range of new mobile chips
http://translate.google.com/transla...henden-28-nm-grafikloesungen-von-amd/&act=url


This one looks to be the sweet spot for price and power usage
"Thames" LE HD 7610M (28nm)
450 MHz
128-bit
1 GB DDR3 800 MHz

"Seymour" Chips look to be made on the old 40nm process and wouldnt be much better then whats out now but they are low end 64bit memory crippled chips anyways
 
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But for $900 (before cashback, tax, etc.), that Asus is a great deal.

Only way you can beat it is with a Dell outlet deal. Even that is extremely difficult to catch because the only system that compares (actually beats the 560m) is the precision m6600.

It has a 17" screen (actually starting weight of 7.7lb w/ 9 cell battery is 1lb lighter than the 8.7lb Asus with a 8 cell battery) and an AMD Firepro m8900 that's based on the 6970m, which beats the gtx570m. I've been looking for it but haven't found one in stock since finding out about that deal. Initially saw the Dell Precision & Latitude outlet codes of 20% & 15% and didn't think much of them as I was previously chasing the Inspiron 17r with the 25% code.

Oh and I can tell you right now that the 560m won't lose to any of those 1gb 7000 series cards listed, especially not any with ddr3. the *600 series for AMD is no longer what it used to be. It used to be 3800/3600, 4800/4600 so the 6 series was actually a 2nd tier card whereas now, and judging from chart, there are *700, *800 and *900 series above the 600 series so it's been relegated to a 3rd tier card at best assuming Wimbledon to be dual cards from the 256-bit bus.
 
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mwmorph

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I concur with ther00kie16, $900 is a good deal on a 560M laptop, but it's not a hardcore gaming machine.

Also, that 7610's specs look abysmal for modern high quality gaming. I'd be surprised if it was even competitive with the 560m, especially since it is so far down the list of SKUs.

Honestly, Chelsea XT or Heathrow Pro would probably be my minimum requirement to game at 1920x1080 (hopefully somewhere around 6970M performance)
 
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That Asus notebook has the 560m with 2gb of vram therefore crippled with a 128bit bus, not nearly as fast as the 560m with 1.5gb vram and 192bit bus. It's a marketing trick asus did with with the 460m as well. Stay away.
 
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ther00kie16

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nsavop said:
That Asus notebook has the 560m with 2gb of vram therefore crippled with a 128bit bus, not nearly as fast as the 560m with 1.5gb vram and 192bit bus. It's a marketing trick asus did with with the 460m as well. Stay away.
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Yes, it's been pointed out. But the 2gb is clocked higher which cuts down the performance differential to around 10%. So it's still a very capable notebook and one you'd be hard pressed to beat at $900.
 
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